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General election 2024

List the top 3 reasons you plan to vote for which party - 2 sentences for each point.

182 replies

PanicAttax · 28/05/2024 21:20

I really am struggling to pick through what I actually want to vote for, rather than against in this coming GE.

I don't feel any party ticks all of my boxes but loathe to have more of the same with Tories killing everything off and sewage.

Labour I can't deal with the VAT on private schools and how they're rolling back on hitting tech companies for tax (seems to be picking on the little guy and parents who care about education).

I really don't know much about Lib Dem - trans seems to be their main concern/not very woman friendly? and Green - do they have great policies that they've costed for? Any other party you think deserves a mention?

So, what are your top three reasons to vote for your party?
Keep it brief and to the point!

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ThankYouAgainAgain · 28/05/2024 21:49

I'm voting Labour. I'm doing it because I have spent a lot of time watching the parliament channel and listening to what the individual MPs say. It seems to me that a lot of the Labour MPs are very smart people who have good ideas and want the same things that I want.

The things I'm looking for are things like caring about other people and having effective community. What I don't want to see is individuals always being out for what they can get, at the expense of others.

I've been particularly impressed by Yvette Cooper and David Lammy, but generally the whole party seems to be less about buzz words and sound bites, and more about actually thinking deeply about the issues.

They very often say things that used to be taboo in parliament and are not ashamed to do so. I mean things like Jess Philips talking about domestic abuse. I am glad that she can speak up about stuff like that, and I'm really glad it's not some public school bloke in an expensive suit talking about it, but a real woman from a real town.

Also I have read their education policy document and I really like that they want secondary schools to be more inclusive, and that they will get ofsted to actually check for inclusion of SEND children and offrolling, which I really want to happen.

I have also been watching the conservative party. I've never never even thought about voting conservative, but I did notice that they had some smart thoughtful people like Dominic Grieve and Rory Stewart. Unfortunately they all left some time ago. Jacob Reece Mogg appalls me.

I am glad that the Lib Dems are there to challenge and hopefully unseat the Tories in the Blue wall seats.

I thought about voting green because I want action on climate change above all else, but they don't seem to be a viable option.

ThankYouAgainAgain · 28/05/2024 21:50

Sorry I'm not good at brevity.

Lampslights · 28/05/2024 21:52

Tory, I really Think of the lot they are the safest to run the economy, I cannot for the life of me imagine starmer and raynor doing it. And would be scared for us all if they get in, although I doubt much will change when they do, the rest are simply non entities.

ThankYouAgainAgain · 28/05/2024 21:57

Lampslights · 28/05/2024 21:52

Tory, I really Think of the lot they are the safest to run the economy, I cannot for the life of me imagine starmer and raynor doing it. And would be scared for us all if they get in, although I doubt much will change when they do, the rest are simply non entities.

Rachel Reeves is very experience professional economist: Univ of Ox, LSE, Bank of England and then HBOS.

Also did you see what happened when Truss was PM? That didn't seem like the economy was in especially safe hands.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 28/05/2024 21:57

Labour
I quite like the local candidate
I quite like a lot of the shadow cabinet, particularly Wes Streeting and Rachel Reeves
Because we need a change and if a party inflicts the amount of damage on the country as this current government has, they deserve a giant kicking, otherwise they think they can carry on as usual.

itispersonal · 28/05/2024 22:09

Labour

They aren't the Tories
Can't give the Tories free run for the next 5 years when they have f@@@ed the country up so much!

I'd love proportional representation and long term cross parties working on nhs, social care and education not MPs thinking which will keep our voters happy!

Lilacwall · 28/05/2024 22:24

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DrCoconut · 28/05/2024 22:34

Labour. Tactical vote to get the tories out mainly.

LaPalmaLlama · 28/05/2024 22:40

Don’t know but read through the Labour website today. What I like

  • the new national energy plan and moving forward with onshore wind.
  • closing non dom loopholes ( although this is just an upgrade to a Tory policy really)

where I’m less comfortable is education and healthcare policy because I think they are well intentioned but barking up the wrong tree in terms of what the issues are so I don’t expect much to change.

Also they have pretty much said they won’t raise taxes and the increased collections will only do so much so I’m not sure how they’ll be funded.

Flapjacker48 · 29/05/2024 07:49

@PanicAttax so only those parents who use private schools "care about education"? Hmm

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 07:59

Flapjacker48 · 29/05/2024 07:49

@PanicAttax so only those parents who use private schools "care about education"? Hmm

I'm simply saying why I can't vote Labour, which I wanted to but actually since I've said that out loud on here people keep popping up to be really nasty and rude and deliberately misunderstanding and assuming.
Do you really care about my family? Nope. Everyone on here is happy children are going to be pushed out of schools. It's like watching the burning of witches when you see the pure jealousy in some posts assuming we're all swimming pools and holidays.
I'm sure you care about your child but you sure as shit don't care about mine if you vote labour.

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frankentall · 29/05/2024 08:03

Lampslights · 28/05/2024 21:52

Tory, I really Think of the lot they are the safest to run the economy, I cannot for the life of me imagine starmer and raynor doing it. And would be scared for us all if they get in, although I doubt much will change when they do, the rest are simply non entities.

Well you can't even spell Rayner. So you prefer to trust the party that gave us all a Truss tax on mortgages because they seem better on economics - OK then.

frankentall · 29/05/2024 08:04

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 07:59

I'm simply saying why I can't vote Labour, which I wanted to but actually since I've said that out loud on here people keep popping up to be really nasty and rude and deliberately misunderstanding and assuming.
Do you really care about my family? Nope. Everyone on here is happy children are going to be pushed out of schools. It's like watching the burning of witches when you see the pure jealousy in some posts assuming we're all swimming pools and holidays.
I'm sure you care about your child but you sure as shit don't care about mine if you vote labour.

What percentage of kids are in private schools?

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 08:05

I guess once the manifestos are tightened up we will get firmer policies.
I was looking at the Lib Dem website yesterday and was interested that it wants to rebuild ties with EU. I voted remain and actually think this is something I can get behind to try to take us back to some stability. I think both Labour and Tories are ignoring what Brexit has done to the country and some of those basic things need reversing or at least bringing out into to the open and talked about. Didn't Sunak say not to the EU offering Erasmus only a month ago?

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WilmaFlintstone1 · 29/05/2024 08:06

Labour, simply because I want to see the back of the Tories.
I’ve seen the outcome of the past 14yrs as I deal with people in crisis. What’s happened is a disgrace. Time someone else had a go.

But taxes need to rise to fund the changes which need to happen. Unless there’s a magic money tree somewhere.

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 08:07

frankentall · 29/05/2024 08:04

What percentage of kids are in private schools?

I do not want to debate whether you think the reason I refuse to vote for them is valid.

Make 3 positive points about the party you like or go away.

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PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 08:08

WilmaFlintstone1 · 29/05/2024 08:06

Labour, simply because I want to see the back of the Tories.
I’ve seen the outcome of the past 14yrs as I deal with people in crisis. What’s happened is a disgrace. Time someone else had a go.

But taxes need to rise to fund the changes which need to happen. Unless there’s a magic money tree somewhere.

Does anyone know why Labour aren't now going to tax the big companies who don't pay tax and harm kids - Facebook and the rest?

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frankentall · 29/05/2024 08:49

I do not want to debate whether you think the reason I refuse to vote for them is valid.
You started it - you expect to be able to state your reason for not voting Labour, and criticise people who disagree for "not giving a shit" about your kids, but you apparently expect to tell people they can't participate in that debate (presumably unless they agree with you). Thankfully you aren't in charge of what anyone can or can't post.

Outdoorsygirl1 · 29/05/2024 08:53

I'll be voting Labour

This bonkers national service plan has most certainly swung it for me

I truly believe that things can be fairer and start to improve under a Labour government

The Tory's have taken us for absolute fools for years now. Several different leaders, all the lies during Covid, I've never forgotten the cover up about Dominic Cummings. Everything is going to shit.

Outdoorsygirl1 · 29/05/2024 08:57

There are a lot more reasons but you asked for 3.

frankentall · 29/05/2024 08:59

I'll be voting Labour. My vote will almost certainly be wasted as a dead dog with a blue rosette would be elected by the blind Tory automata where I live.

I would like PR but neither of the parties with any chance of forming a government will advocate it for obvious reasons.

I look forward to a government not being run for the express benefit of a tiny percentage of already well-off people at the expense of everyone else and in particular poorer people.

LaPalmaLlama · 29/05/2024 08:59

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 08:08

Does anyone know why Labour aren't now going to tax the big companies who don't pay tax and harm kids - Facebook and the rest?

Labour has said that they are adding resource to close the tax gap a bit (difference between what is theoretically owed and what is paid). However, in terms of taxing large corporations, the UK can usually only tax the profits that land in the UK. Companies are quite good at ensuring that they keep costs in high tax jurisdictions and revenues in lower tax ones- this isn’t always bad as can mean that there are more jobs in the high tax jurisdictions. There is also something called transfer pricing which determines how different parts of a company charge other parts for services and goods. Like say if the German factory makes a fridge it then sells it to the Uk branch of the same company which then sells it to the retail chain which sells it to the customer, the internal pricing between German factory and uk retail branch massively determines the Uk profits. All this makes it v difficult to increase corporation tax without other consequences. When people say these companies “should” be paying more tax what they mean is “these companies have arranged their businesses to take advantage of different global CT rates”. They are ( in most cases) doing nothing illegal. It is still a problem but it’s not as easy as just “closing loopholes”.

BeyondMyWits · 29/05/2024 08:59

Floating.

Until local candidates tell me what they ACTUALLY stand for instead of why I SHOULDNT vote for the other (middle aged white guy).

Ours is a 2 horse race.
Vote Tory to keep things as they are ... nobody promoting what is being stood for, just the woe that will supposedly happen under Labour.
Vote Lib Dem for change... I have no clue on their policies because they are just standing as "tories out" locally.

Spinet · 29/05/2024 09:05

I'm voting Labour because of policies I agree with. Here are 3 as per your exam rubric above: their border force as opposed to the ethnic-cleansing Rwanda plan, plans for infrastructure a like national railway and ending shareholder payouts for water companies, and free breakfast clubs for primary schools.

I also feel they are less efficient at cruelty, being less interested in it. You may think a lack of sympathy for your children having to move school is a witch hunt, but try needing to claim pip and living in penury because you're ill, being a pensioner with housing benefit and feeling terrified you will be kicked out of your house, or fleeing a country that is actually persecuting you and arriving in a country that hunts you down and puts itself out of pocket to deport you to somewhere with a questionable human rights record (at best).

Like most labour voters I care deeply about our society's children's right to an education. I don't think your kid possibly having to move schools because you've over stretched yourself by sending them private and can't afford an increase is my concern to worry about. Kids move schools all the time. Some of them because their schools have closed due to government underfunding, or because their state school can't afford to provide their educational needs because the Tories have not prioritised their education. If you were there complaining about that for them then I suppose you can feel hard done by. Profit making organisations such as private schools are not charitable enterprises and should not get the tax breaks that charities enjoy.

Lampslights · 29/05/2024 09:06

frankentall · 29/05/2024 08:49

I do not want to debate whether you think the reason I refuse to vote for them is valid.
You started it - you expect to be able to state your reason for not voting Labour, and criticise people who disagree for "not giving a shit" about your kids, but you apparently expect to tell people they can't participate in that debate (presumably unless they agree with you). Thankfully you aren't in charge of what anyone can or can't post.

Posts like these are the reason folks don’t post on these type of threads if they aren’t voting labour. As you get attacked for it. It’s utterly crazy and if anyone thinks it changes what happens at the ballot box, they are seriously deluded.