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General election 2024

List the top 3 reasons you plan to vote for which party - 2 sentences for each point.

182 replies

PanicAttax · 28/05/2024 21:20

I really am struggling to pick through what I actually want to vote for, rather than against in this coming GE.

I don't feel any party ticks all of my boxes but loathe to have more of the same with Tories killing everything off and sewage.

Labour I can't deal with the VAT on private schools and how they're rolling back on hitting tech companies for tax (seems to be picking on the little guy and parents who care about education).

I really don't know much about Lib Dem - trans seems to be their main concern/not very woman friendly? and Green - do they have great policies that they've costed for? Any other party you think deserves a mention?

So, what are your top three reasons to vote for your party?
Keep it brief and to the point!

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dollybird · 29/05/2024 10:14

Greens are typical party that know they won't be elected so they just write an unfunded unicorn wish list - can't take them seriously, nor should I.

Reform are the same, looking at their policies.

Pampledample · 29/05/2024 10:19

Labour

1: tactical vote to get Tories out in my constituency (not a marginal seat but a possible win for Labour)
2: Tories values don’t align with my own values
3: Ridiculous voting and parliamentary system means I can’t vote for preferred party (green) or a particular person to represent constituency

Springwatch123 · 29/05/2024 10:22

Not Tory, mainly because don’t like the local candidate. Done nothing for the local area, and only appears when there’s a photo opportunity to be had or local towns makes national news.

nb . Our local Tory councillor is absolutely great.

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 11:55

Lampslights · 29/05/2024 09:06

Posts like these are the reason folks don’t post on these type of threads if they aren’t voting labour. As you get attacked for it. It’s utterly crazy and if anyone thinks it changes what happens at the ballot box, they are seriously deluded.

Exactly this - and it makes me think they aren't as "nice" as they like to make out.

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caringcarer · 29/05/2024 12:01

Spinet · 29/05/2024 10:08

What do you mean by gender critical here?

They believe in two sexes.

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 12:13

Thanks. Very interesting to read such a wide range of views and I have to say Greens view on women is a check in the box against them for me.

I don't really like what Starmer has done to Duffield or Abbot and am not sure it is a good sign for the party's view on women. I think he's being canny about what the policies I am worried the "flip-flopping" as someone said it could be called is actually the same as Lib/Greens - it's seeming to be there's no master plan.

My family member has special needs which mean he will probably need to be home schooled when the VAT comes in. We had budgeted for the normal yearly increases but it would be out of the range for our family - he is not my son. I will be leaving my job to help with this (family agreed together as I earn less and am nearer retirement). It is changing everything for us and feels like it won't benefit anyone but I accept a lot of people here think it will be great for their own kid so is what public opinion calls for.

I think I need to talk to my local Lib Dem man as he usually does well and I have voted for him before, just unsure of policies at the moment. Think that goes for all apart from the Tories to be honest.

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DramaLlamaBangBang · 29/05/2024 12:29

have to say Greens view on women is a check in the box against them for me

I know all parties are not great on women's rights, but once the Green youth womens group called women 'non men' endorsed by the wider Green party that was it for me for good. And I had previously often voted for them. As you say, Labour have not covered themselves in glory re Duffield and have apparently shot themselves in the foot over Abbott but where I live it is Tory/ Labour marginal with a strong Green 3rd, so I really have to overlook those things for the greater good.

BIossomtoes · 29/05/2024 12:35

I am worried the "flip-flopping" as someone said it could be called is actually the same as Lib/Greens - it's seeming to be there's no master plan.

Sensible strategists flex their plans in response to events. The country is in a vastly different place to 2020 when Starmer won the leadership. We wouldn’t have just thrown half a billion £ away on Rwanda if Sunak hadn’t stuck doggedly to The Plan.

MargotMoon · 29/05/2024 13:04

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 08:05

I guess once the manifestos are tightened up we will get firmer policies.
I was looking at the Lib Dem website yesterday and was interested that it wants to rebuild ties with EU. I voted remain and actually think this is something I can get behind to try to take us back to some stability. I think both Labour and Tories are ignoring what Brexit has done to the country and some of those basic things need reversing or at least bringing out into to the open and talked about. Didn't Sunak say not to the EU offering Erasmus only a month ago?

The Lib Dems and other minority parties can promise the world because they are never going to be tested on it.

Labour know they've got a mountain to climb to reverse even a tiny bit of the damage done by the Conservatives to the economy, the welfare state, the NHS, public services, education, climate change policy, human rights, legal rights, workers rights etc.

So they have to pick out the biggest issues to work on and then make some progress on those in order to gain some trust. Change is needed, the status quo is widening the poverty gap and making people's lives worse.

Bululu · 29/05/2024 13:44

Between Tory or spoiling my vote.

Why:

Labour are pandering to politics of envy so it is a sample of what is to come.
People should be less reliable on welfare so the system needs reforming.
We should have a choice of where and how to educate our children without punitive treatment.
I prefer a government that incentive business and bettering yourself.
As a middle class high earner and net contributor. It seems that Tories would do more for me. Labour is not offering me anything and taking more from me. But the difference between the main parties is not that much because this country loves to rely on the state. That is not good and fast becoming unsustainable.

Spinet · 29/05/2024 14:12

Tax is not a punitive measure @Bululu, it's a money-raising measure and will pay for extra teachers in State schools (you may think the numbers don't add up but that is a matter separate from the intention of the act). Extra teachers in state schools will enable more of our children to express themselves literately and therefore do well in business, which in turn helps the country as well as bettering individuals. Diminishing the welfare state does not make people less reliant on welfare, nor does it incentivise business. It just creates an underclass who cannot help pull the country's economy back up. It's not about punishing anyone it's about creating a system that works for most people instead of just a few.

Redlocks30 · 29/05/2024 14:19

I will be voting a tactical vote to vote out the Conservatives. They have decimated education and the NHS and need to go.

frankentall · 29/05/2024 14:19

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 11:55

Exactly this - and it makes me think they aren't as "nice" as they like to make out.

Again - where was the "attack"? What wasn't "nice"?

C8H10N4O2 · 29/05/2024 14:57

HebburnPokemon · 29/05/2024 09:32

Labour have u-turned on trans issues, so there's a home for you there.

No they haven't - did you miss Dodds' announcement on self ID/self referral to a friendly non specialist doctor with no criteria defined? And her repetition of the "spousal veto" myth and removal of the current right of the non transitioning partner to request the marriage be annulled if the other partner changes the basis of the marriage? To be in the first 12 months of a Labour administration.
Not to mention the horrific harassment (and expulsions) of women in the Labour party who have dared to point out the ideological earth is not flat. No acknowledgement either of the extent to which marginalised and minority women bear the brunt of the downside of self styled "liberals" giving away women's sex based protections.

Women needing an abortion have to get two qualified doctors to approve. Plainly our silly pink brains can't make such decisions for ourselves.

MaryBethMayfair · 29/05/2024 15:07

SNP (I'm in Scotland, obviously)

  1. Tories won't get my vote. National Service proposition is absurd. I wont vote for my 17 year old son to be swept off, especially in the current climate with potential wars on every horizon, whilst Sunaks' kids will be living it up in California!)
  2. Labour won' get my vote because they don't know what women are and Keir Starmer is a web squib.
  3. SNP: Free tuition, free prescriptions, baby boxes, free travel for U25s, free sanitary products for women. I don't like their views on trans rights. Also, education and healthcare are as much a mess here as anywhere else in the UK but I do feel they deliver in other ways. Best of a bad bunch, frankly.
CaveMum · 29/05/2024 15:10

@C8H10N4O2 let’s also not forget Keir’s recent lies about talking with Rosie Duffield and his campaigning in Kent last week and failing to include her.

BIossomtoes · 29/05/2024 15:14

Women needing an abortion have to get two qualified doctors to approve.

Technically.

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 15:34

MargotMoon · 29/05/2024 13:04

The Lib Dems and other minority parties can promise the world because they are never going to be tested on it.

Labour know they've got a mountain to climb to reverse even a tiny bit of the damage done by the Conservatives to the economy, the welfare state, the NHS, public services, education, climate change policy, human rights, legal rights, workers rights etc.

So they have to pick out the biggest issues to work on and then make some progress on those in order to gain some trust. Change is needed, the status quo is widening the poverty gap and making people's lives worse.

But the Lib Dems are talking about opening UK back up to the world and looking at EU again. I don't think any other party is even broaching that and they would rather blame the pandemic or war for a lot of things Brexit has been the cause for. I keep seeing news about it but no party is picking up on it in case it starts to distract (or maybe divide us back into remain versus leave?) but we clearly need funding for things like farmers and poor areas like Wales and impoverished places after so much austerity. If we can't raise taxes surely we need to admit we got more from being part of EU?

I'm probably going to cause a bun fight with that one!

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frankentall · 29/05/2024 15:37

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 15:34

But the Lib Dems are talking about opening UK back up to the world and looking at EU again. I don't think any other party is even broaching that and they would rather blame the pandemic or war for a lot of things Brexit has been the cause for. I keep seeing news about it but no party is picking up on it in case it starts to distract (or maybe divide us back into remain versus leave?) but we clearly need funding for things like farmers and poor areas like Wales and impoverished places after so much austerity. If we can't raise taxes surely we need to admit we got more from being part of EU?

I'm probably going to cause a bun fight with that one!

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Are you expecting a debate?

Because you tried to shut one down before.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 29/05/2024 15:38

Labour.
I’ll never vote Tory. Ever. Never have. Never will.

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 15:52

frankentall · 29/05/2024 15:37

Are you expecting a debate?

Because you tried to shut one down before.

No but I am guessing you still want to shout at me about private schools which is why you're still here?

I was trying to start a discussion on ways to raise money if Starmer isn't going to raise tax and Tories need to go.

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MargotMoon · 29/05/2024 16:02

@PanicAttax:
"But the Lib Dems are talking about opening UK back up to the world and looking at EU again. I don't think any other party is even broaching that and they would rather blame the pandemic or war for a lot of things Brexit has been the cause for. I keep seeing news about it but no party is picking up on it in case it starts to distract..."

As I said, Lib Dems can say what they like, they won't govern. Best case scenario they will get into a coalition and look how much they fucked everyone over last time they did that. Untrustworthy bastards u-turned on all sorts as soon as they had their feet under the table.

frankentall · 29/05/2024 16:04

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 15:52

No but I am guessing you still want to shout at me about private schools which is why you're still here?

I was trying to start a discussion on ways to raise money if Starmer isn't going to raise tax and Tories need to go.

I have asked more than once where I was "shouting at you" - you haven't (and presumably won't) answer because I did no such thing.

Your attempt to police your thread and limit the scope of debate won't work unless someone breaks the rules.

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 16:05

MargotMoon · 29/05/2024 16:02

@PanicAttax:
"But the Lib Dems are talking about opening UK back up to the world and looking at EU again. I don't think any other party is even broaching that and they would rather blame the pandemic or war for a lot of things Brexit has been the cause for. I keep seeing news about it but no party is picking up on it in case it starts to distract..."

As I said, Lib Dems can say what they like, they won't govern. Best case scenario they will get into a coalition and look how much they fucked everyone over last time they did that. Untrustworthy bastards u-turned on all sorts as soon as they had their feet under the table.

I'm sure lots of people say the same about Labour and Tories (untrustworthy) - they're in the race and I'd like to hear what they have to say.

I think the coalition was silly of them and they let themselves be steered too much by Cameron. But I do think they metered the nasty for the time they were in. We saw what came next.

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Ontopofthesunset · 29/05/2024 16:15

I'm going to be so sick of the phrase 'politics of envy' by July 4th.

It is possible to disagree with something for all sorts of reasons, not necessarily because you envy it. I know plenty of people who could have afforded to use private schools but chose not to as they think they're fundamentally inequitable. They don't envy people using private schools. In the same way, I don't envy people with Range Rover or a Rolex. I could afford them, but I don't value them or think they would make my life better.

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