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General election 2024

List the top 3 reasons you plan to vote for which party - 2 sentences for each point.

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PanicAttax · 28/05/2024 21:20

I really am struggling to pick through what I actually want to vote for, rather than against in this coming GE.

I don't feel any party ticks all of my boxes but loathe to have more of the same with Tories killing everything off and sewage.

Labour I can't deal with the VAT on private schools and how they're rolling back on hitting tech companies for tax (seems to be picking on the little guy and parents who care about education).

I really don't know much about Lib Dem - trans seems to be their main concern/not very woman friendly? and Green - do they have great policies that they've costed for? Any other party you think deserves a mention?

So, what are your top three reasons to vote for your party?
Keep it brief and to the point!

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HebburnPokemon · 30/05/2024 10:30

C8H10N4O2 · 29/05/2024 14:57

No they haven't - did you miss Dodds' announcement on self ID/self referral to a friendly non specialist doctor with no criteria defined? And her repetition of the "spousal veto" myth and removal of the current right of the non transitioning partner to request the marriage be annulled if the other partner changes the basis of the marriage? To be in the first 12 months of a Labour administration.
Not to mention the horrific harassment (and expulsions) of women in the Labour party who have dared to point out the ideological earth is not flat. No acknowledgement either of the extent to which marginalised and minority women bear the brunt of the downside of self styled "liberals" giving away women's sex based protections.

Women needing an abortion have to get two qualified doctors to approve. Plainly our silly pink brains can't make such decisions for ourselves.

Can't find anything post-2022 for what you're saying on the trans issue. You're referring Corbyn era.

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 10:39

C8H10N4O2 · 29/05/2024 16:47

Factually. Its a legal requirement.

Technically. Most women having terminations won’t have seen one doctor, let alone two. The signatures are a rubber stamp.

PanicAttax · 30/05/2024 10:43

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 10:39

Technically. Most women having terminations won’t have seen one doctor, let alone two. The signatures are a rubber stamp.

I have actually had one and had to see two doctors. They took so long I ended up having to have surgery rather than taking a pill.

It certainly does mean your health is in men's hands, so you won't ever convince me it doesn't have a real life effect.

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C8H10N4O2 · 30/05/2024 12:42

BIossomtoes · 30/05/2024 10:39

Technically. Most women having terminations won’t have seen one doctor, let alone two. The signatures are a rubber stamp.

Not in the experience of women in my area. Its certainly not a rubber stamp process, to which area are you referring?

If what you said were true and doctors will cheerfully circumvent the law then that is an even bigger issue where only one doctor is required to sign off a GRC.

C8H10N4O2 · 30/05/2024 12:42

HebburnPokemon · 30/05/2024 10:30

Can't find anything post-2022 for what you're saying on the trans issue. You're referring Corbyn era.

Dodd's statement was last week. Its will still be in the news archives.

Hazyjaneishere · 02/06/2024 13:25

PanicAttax · 29/05/2024 07:59

I'm simply saying why I can't vote Labour, which I wanted to but actually since I've said that out loud on here people keep popping up to be really nasty and rude and deliberately misunderstanding and assuming.
Do you really care about my family? Nope. Everyone on here is happy children are going to be pushed out of schools. It's like watching the burning of witches when you see the pure jealousy in some posts assuming we're all swimming pools and holidays.
I'm sure you care about your child but you sure as shit don't care about mine if you vote labour.

If the state school sector is well funded there’s no need for your children to be privately educated.

Just in the way that income dictates what kind of car someone can drive, or how large a house they can live in, income will dictate whether your children can go to private school or not. I don’t really see why everybody else should be at disadvantage in terms of private schools being run like charities and therefore not liable for appropriate taxes. You can either afford private education or you can’t and it sounds like with a fairer system in place that some will not be able to anymore, so will have to send their children to a local school like most people do. On a temporary basis I feel for the children affected but there are also other children who arguably need our sympathy more.

Of all the policies etc and how they will affect people, It’s pretty hard to be honest to feel sympathy about something like this, when there are people who can’t afford to feed and clothe their children well, regardless of how hard they are working.

If they were being completely honest, most people send their children to private schools, not just because the quality of the education is better (though not always. My husband was privately educated and his education was actually pretty poor. I did much better at the state comprehensive round the corner from where he lived!), but because of the other social advantages in terms of mixing with children whose parents and families have money and influence which gives them a leg up in many ways as well as the confidence etc.

And I’m not basing this on assumption, several of my close friends have children at private schools and they have told me quite plainly that this is the real reason that they sent them there. They are aware that many of the state schools in our area get comparable Exam results. But as we all know in life, it’s not what you know it’s who you know a lot of the time. And that is what they are paying for.

so I approve of this policy, and once it all shakes out the country and young people of the uk as a whole will be better off - which gets my vote 💪🏻

an interesting point, I read about this recently too, is that for parents who have to take their children out of private education, the government will, in all likelihood still make more money in VAT payments, because the money that was been spent on school fees will now be spent on other vegetables goods and services.

Hazyjaneishere · 02/06/2024 13:29

It seems several people have read it that way…

PanicAttax · 02/06/2024 14:01

Hazyjaneishere · 02/06/2024 13:25

If the state school sector is well funded there’s no need for your children to be privately educated.

Just in the way that income dictates what kind of car someone can drive, or how large a house they can live in, income will dictate whether your children can go to private school or not. I don’t really see why everybody else should be at disadvantage in terms of private schools being run like charities and therefore not liable for appropriate taxes. You can either afford private education or you can’t and it sounds like with a fairer system in place that some will not be able to anymore, so will have to send their children to a local school like most people do. On a temporary basis I feel for the children affected but there are also other children who arguably need our sympathy more.

Of all the policies etc and how they will affect people, It’s pretty hard to be honest to feel sympathy about something like this, when there are people who can’t afford to feed and clothe their children well, regardless of how hard they are working.

If they were being completely honest, most people send their children to private schools, not just because the quality of the education is better (though not always. My husband was privately educated and his education was actually pretty poor. I did much better at the state comprehensive round the corner from where he lived!), but because of the other social advantages in terms of mixing with children whose parents and families have money and influence which gives them a leg up in many ways as well as the confidence etc.

And I’m not basing this on assumption, several of my close friends have children at private schools and they have told me quite plainly that this is the real reason that they sent them there. They are aware that many of the state schools in our area get comparable Exam results. But as we all know in life, it’s not what you know it’s who you know a lot of the time. And that is what they are paying for.

so I approve of this policy, and once it all shakes out the country and young people of the uk as a whole will be better off - which gets my vote 💪🏻

an interesting point, I read about this recently too, is that for parents who have to take their children out of private education, the government will, in all likelihood still make more money in VAT payments, because the money that was been spent on school fees will now be spent on other vegetables goods and services.

Thanks for answering the OP
If you think disrupting a load of children will help other children great.
Tit for tat makes some people feel 💪
You'll be paying his school fees along side the other 2 who left this year if he can go to a mainstream school. You'll probably be paying my benefits as out of work carer for him if he can't. Well done!

Starmer gets it all free because he could tutor his non SEN kid and live in central London next to an exclusive grammar but that is just fine and dandy because 💪 is fucking up those kids who have SEN. Yeah, great Britain.
I'm sure you voted Leave as well with that logic.

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Papyrophile · 02/06/2024 19:36

Well, next weekend is the big EU election. All of the EU gets to vote. 300 million people deciding. France and Germany look quite likely to vote hard right, as do some of the Eastern European countries.

What outcome would you, as individuals. want to see?

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 02/06/2024 20:18

Independent that advocated

bringing down crime and mandatory jail terms for those caught carrying a poitied/sharp item in a public place that could be used as a weapon

Reducing water bills

Ensuring benefits go to the right people.

Hazyjaneishere · 03/06/2024 08:26

Oh dear. No I didn’t vote Brexit and I’ve voted Labour most of my life, consider myself a socialist.

and I don’t mind paying for any child’s education through the proper system, so if the child in your family now has to go to a state school, then I’m happy to contribute to that. You sound very bitter, I suggest you work on your mindset around this because Labour will win the next election and they will bring this policy in. And overall, it will benefit more children than the current system does.

Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect world and I’m sure that some children will be adversely affected by the changes, however, for most of them that will be a temporary issue.

all children should get a good education and access to what they need to succeed in life, not just those whose families can pay.

perhaps if you hadn’t made such a provocative statement in your first post and then tried to defend yourself in such an antagonist way folks might have more sympathy with you.

Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:16

Locally our Tory is useless. Voting for Tory means more of the last 14 years of disaster.

Lib Dem means getting the useless local Tory out. States he will do more for the local area.

Greens have completely lost the plot.

Labour won't get in here. I like improving education for all. A national energy supplier and more likely to look after the NHS. Doctor friend is strongly Labour and says NHS was much better under Labour and he should know since working within it.

No independent candidate here, so that's my choice.

frankentall · 03/06/2024 09:20

perhaps if you hadn’t made such a provocative statement in your first post and then tried to defend yourself in such an antagonist way folks might have more sympathy with you.

^This

As well as trying smear others as "attacking" for perfectly reasonable posts and trying to shut down any debate.

PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:23

Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:16

Locally our Tory is useless. Voting for Tory means more of the last 14 years of disaster.

Lib Dem means getting the useless local Tory out. States he will do more for the local area.

Greens have completely lost the plot.

Labour won't get in here. I like improving education for all. A national energy supplier and more likely to look after the NHS. Doctor friend is strongly Labour and says NHS was much better under Labour and he should know since working within it.

No independent candidate here, so that's my choice.

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Yes, I've spoken to our Lib Dem man now and he was lovely. They've done so much locally with sewage releases and potholes - he's very active. I think he will get my vote at the moment.

As the previous poster keeps showing Labour seem to attract some nasty idiots who think VAT is going to revolutionise the entire state education and can't figure out the increased costs and knock-on effects. Seems every day a new thing is being paid for with the VAT which is a worry as it's not actually going to be generating much. I did want to vote for them initially but as circumstances have changed I've opened my options up, which can only be a good thing.

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Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:25

PanicAttax · 02/06/2024 14:01

Thanks for answering the OP
If you think disrupting a load of children will help other children great.
Tit for tat makes some people feel 💪
You'll be paying his school fees along side the other 2 who left this year if he can go to a mainstream school. You'll probably be paying my benefits as out of work carer for him if he can't. Well done!

Starmer gets it all free because he could tutor his non SEN kid and live in central London next to an exclusive grammar but that is just fine and dandy because 💪 is fucking up those kids who have SEN. Yeah, great Britain.
I'm sure you voted Leave as well with that logic.

I've read your posts. You really are being very aggressive with anyone with a different view. It's not a great look. Some people want the majority of children to prosper not just a few. Is that so hard to understand.

PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:25

frankentall · 03/06/2024 09:20

perhaps if you hadn’t made such a provocative statement in your first post and then tried to defend yourself in such an antagonist way folks might have more sympathy with you.

^This

As well as trying smear others as "attacking" for perfectly reasonable posts and trying to shut down any debate.

You don't have to post you know.

No one is forcing you to repeatedly try to derail a thread about politics because you were offended by something in the opening post.

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Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:26

PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:23

Yes, I've spoken to our Lib Dem man now and he was lovely. They've done so much locally with sewage releases and potholes - he's very active. I think he will get my vote at the moment.

As the previous poster keeps showing Labour seem to attract some nasty idiots who think VAT is going to revolutionise the entire state education and can't figure out the increased costs and knock-on effects. Seems every day a new thing is being paid for with the VAT which is a worry as it's not actually going to be generating much. I did want to vote for them initially but as circumstances have changed I've opened my options up, which can only be a good thing.

I'll probably go Lib Dem.

Please stop the name calling towards anyone who votes Labour. Calling them nasty idiots doesn't help your argument at all.

PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:27

Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:25

I've read your posts. You really are being very aggressive with anyone with a different view. It's not a great look. Some people want the majority of children to prosper not just a few. Is that so hard to understand.

I'm being repeatedly pushed on a topic I have said I don't want to debate because I want to see what policies there are OTHER than the one people want to jump all over. Plenty of threads about VAT elsewhere. I didn't want this to be one but Labour posters just can't resist, it's infuriating. I am ill. My life is going to be turned upside down. I didn't want to go into it, which I made very clear.

Some people just want to make other people hurt, repeatedly.

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PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:29

Fuck it. I'll just delete the thread - not worth it

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Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:30

PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:27

I'm being repeatedly pushed on a topic I have said I don't want to debate because I want to see what policies there are OTHER than the one people want to jump all over. Plenty of threads about VAT elsewhere. I didn't want this to be one but Labour posters just can't resist, it's infuriating. I am ill. My life is going to be turned upside down. I didn't want to go into it, which I made very clear.

Some people just want to make other people hurt, repeatedly.

Maybe step back from the thread.

People support policies that you don't it happens. You won't sway anyone's opinion the way you are going about it and just get yourself upset. It's probably best if you don't keep on at the other poster?

Have a resting day. 😊

Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:34

Pampledample · 29/05/2024 10:19

Labour

1: tactical vote to get Tories out in my constituency (not a marginal seat but a possible win for Labour)
2: Tories values don’t align with my own values
3: Ridiculous voting and parliamentary system means I can’t vote for preferred party (green) or a particular person to represent constituency

I hoped proportional representation since seems more fair.

PanicAttax · 03/06/2024 09:46

Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 09:30

Maybe step back from the thread.

People support policies that you don't it happens. You won't sway anyone's opinion the way you are going about it and just get yourself upset. It's probably best if you don't keep on at the other poster?

Have a resting day. 😊

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It's the long personal attacks I can't do - it's why I was trying to be clear just points on what policies you LIKE.

I've asked for the thread to go as they can't help themselves and I can't respond without sounding just as bad.

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frankentall · 03/06/2024 11:50

Personal attacks are (quite rightly) banned on MN. Please report any you find.

Thisagainandagain · 03/06/2024 18:26

@PanicAttax

I notice that Reform is now led by Farage again. He will attract some voters who like his aims. He feels very 'Trump' like to me though.

itsallfuntilsomeonelosesaneye · 03/06/2024 22:04

Labour, with some reservations. However, they are best placed to remove my local Tory, and I want the incompetent, lying weasels as far from government as humanly possible. How anyone can vote for the party of Truss, Johnson, Sunak, Badenoch, Patel, Braverman, IDS, Rees-Mogg, Zahawi, Gove, Hunt and Gullis is utterly beyond me.

A government that tries to fix things, rather than the "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" of the current shambles.

Anyone that replaces the insane (and expensive) Rwanda plan with something humane and effective, that goes after gangs and bad employers. Using the money to clear the backlog - allowing those with a genuine claim to start working (and contributing) and those without to be removed.

More teachers and police (things that went up under the last Labour government, and down under the Conservatives) - you can't fix public services without the bodies to do so. Hopefully, money into the court systemas well to clear the backlog, another thing the government have failed to do