AIBU to think no one agrees with conscription. Does Rushi want to loose the election? This feels like a threat not and election promise?

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This has been popping up on my SM overnight. I feel like Rushinis doing his best to throw this election.

Who exactly thinks Conscription is a good idea and how would it work??

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I entirely agree with you. I actually think only those with teens affected by this issue should be allowed to vote on it... Because the kids who it will actually affect can't vote yet.

Northern Ireland has always been the exception. We've never had National Service, or conscription here.

I don't think PM Sunak knows that and he didn't bother checking in with his Minister for NI to find out before announcing it.🙄

https://x.com/stevebakerfrsa/status/1794991408006185258?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Please could people read a bit before making comments as above ?
30,000 Military places IF that’s want they want, if not , volunteering one weekend end a month . No one is being sent off to war against their will, I would be totally opposed to that but that’s not what is being proposed!

My daughter is 33, has learning and physical disabilities, and has volunteered at the nursery attached to our local primary school for several years. She absolutely loves it, it gives her a sense of purpose and achievement. At a level she can cope with.
I’ve done several voluntary things myself, brownies, rainbows, girls brigade and also as a parent helper at my kids school. Really helps me to feel that I am contributing something.

Why would the military services spend a massive amount of money training people if there was no chance of them going to war? And don't call something people would be forced to do "volunteering ". By definition it isn't. It is just forced unpaid labour that will probably cost more money to organise than save and will prevent 18 year olds earning money for their future.

Lots of countries do it just fine.
What makes UK 18year olds so different

Culture and upbringing.
Much like how a few hundred years ago children were working manual labour jobs from early primary age. You cannot compare completely different cultures for raising children and expect the same outcome.

Yes I do see that but I’d hardly call us and ( for example ) France so completely different.
Although I can’t speak for how this century has fared in comparison.
And if there’s been such a huge difference then maybe we’re getting something wrong if it’s all OK everywhere else.

Sunak listed one of the things 18 year olds could do is deliver prescriptions.
This raises so many questions...
Does he know how much it costs someone who has newly passed their test to insure a car? I assume it would need additional business type insurance for that sort of work too. Who pays for that?

Would there be any controls on the sort of prescription medication they'd be allowed to deliver?

No, I mean those who choose a voluntary role won’t be going to war .
For those who actively choose to do a years military service then I imagine they may well want to continue, and go to war . Which I absolutely hate and thankfully none of mine would choose this option.
And yes, I see that using the word volunteer is not literally correct, neither is conscription come to that.
But in theory I am not opposed to my young people having to do some kind of “voluntary “ work. I’ve worked in schools for many years and would love to see some kind of collective community effort . Whether this is it , I’m not sure .

The national service in France has only been going since 2021 is more like the national citizen service in the UK and is for 15 to 17 year olds. They have reduced the ncs in the UK for cost reasons.

We aren't talking about school children. 18 year olds are adults and usually no less busy than older adults.

How many 18 year olds even have their own car?

I also agree with the post upthread about students who work at weekends to fund their studies because of how much university costs in this country. Would be interesting to know what happens about university students in other countries where they have Natuonal Service. Does it require anyone to give up working/income to do it?

Just looked up the French version. It is for 15-17 year olds, takes place in two periods of 12 days each outside of school time, and is not compulsory.

Yes, like the NCS in the UK which was very good but has been downgraded in the UK for funding reasons.

Mine doesn't but I know his friend is paying nearly 200 per month in insurance.
Minimum wage 18-20 is £8.60 per hour so that's 24 hours work just for insurance without factoring in tax and repairs.

Tiktok etc is really scaring some of the younger teens on all this.

We have 3 sets of polish parent friends who seem to do things very similar to typical British parenting, but of the other European parents we know (Spanish, Italians, Hungarians and Bulgarians) they seem to expect far more independence and self sufficience from a much younger age.
I'm sure it could be coincidence but from conversations with especially the Spanish parents it seems the norm.

In my home country, singapore they do it age 18 to 20 and get paid the equivalent of £300. However, young adults tend to live with parents until they marry anyway and they are able to buy state subsidised housing from the government (only reserved for citizens).

Yes they give up the best years of their lives but get to buy a home at a relatively cheaper price and it was seen as part of national security to provide this so every boy would have a home to defend. If the uk government was offering 80% off the price of the average first time buyers home I am sure people would be far more supportive. You can get a 3 bedroom new build. government flat in Singapore for £200k while on the private market it would be closer to £1 million

£300 a week?

Is the service just for boys?

Per month. They do get free healthcare and food. And live with family when not in barracks.

Yes just for boys.

Just looked it up again they increased it to over £439 for recruits. It goes steadily up as you rise in rank. Around 5% of the cohort would become officers..

Does he mean on foot in towns and cities? Recipe for disaster that with potential mugging for the drugs.
He is so out of touch!

Rishi used to deliver prescriptions for his mum's pharmacy on his bike as a boy..