National Service if Tories are re-elected

[MaryMaryVeryContrary]

Thoughts? 🍿

Are you feeling okay?

Blair sent everyone to universities, now Rishi is sending everyone to the Army. Let us wait and see and then offer a well-balanced, fact-based opinion, OK?

I don't like where this is talked about just as a thing only young people should do where we know some adults wouldn't give it a second thought , or not their problem .It definitely give some adults a thing or two to think about .

The BBC article states for those not in education.
I assume, no clarification though, that it means not those attending University or FE

Coming to a manifesto near you, in the next month:
bring back hanging

Assuming the Tories lose this election, and lose it badly, it is very likely that they will reinvent themselves as a Trump / Orban style right wing populist party, possibly with Farage as leader. In that case, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the return of capital punishment was one of their policies.

It sounds like an expensive, administrative nightmare that would never be implemented effectively. It would cost the country a lot of money for nothing. Exactly which organisations want to support 18 year olds in the workplace, for one weekend per month, who don't want to be there?

Do the armed forces really want to spend their budget on training a bunch of teenagers who are going to leave before they are useful in any way? What nonsense.

I also don't believe that anyone should be forced to work for free. That's slavery. It's not 'voluntary' if it's forced.

After reading your first 2 paragraphs I was going to reply that I saw your point.

But after continuing to read where you assumded I think its a great idea and then became personally abusive and wished ill on my family then you can sod right off.

I agree at school level it’s a good thing.
Some schools ( Indis mainly I think ) do ccf and volunteering. Ours did both. The volunteering was just as you say, at local schools for an afternoon a week.

How dare you,I’m a boomer and I’ve worked f**king hard all my adult life.No I don’t agree with National Service.I’m am sick to death of the boomer insult being pulled out by people with a lack of vocabulary..

Ah. I assume they aren't exempt if they are working? Or that would only leave those unemployed.

So the benefit is supposedly to give 'work experience' to young people. But it's for those who go into the workplace rather than education? Yep that makes sense.

It’s for all young ‘people’ of 18yrs.
So yes both sexes.
Why wouldn’t it be.

It's true that the people that implement these things, never have to do them.

As the saying goes:

War is
Old men making decisions
and
Young men dying.

I think that’s what’s being proposed as only education is mentioned as exempt.

Did the military want National Service before WW2? And I bet my back teeth that the kids around that time didn't want conscription, either. However, it did have its upsides. There were people who hated school and did badly there - but in the army it was discovered that they were talented at maths and / or had organisational skills that had never been identified before (family experience).

I can’t see an education exemption anywhere is stuff directly from the Tory Party though. They are saying ‘all 18 year olds’.

This is what I thought.
with a recent poll of 60% against National Service I think it’s a nail in the coffin.
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My DF did NS (in the 50s I think). He loved it as learnt to fly! He was offered a place to stay on but declined as had other plans, but never lost his love of flying

In re the young men/women discussion, there would need to be some way of protecting the young women. This has not been thought through. I should think we'd end up with a surge of teenage pregnancies too.

Ok I read the bbc article.

Having had a look back it’s says more than just those not in education
See top paragraph from the bbc

Most pensioners I know already do volunteer work.Stop with the ageism it’s embarrassing.Go into any supermarket and you will see pensioners working the tills because they don’t have company pensions and have to work to top up their state pension.,

Other countries manage to do it.

Yes!!! The current year 7s are feral! It will straighten them out 🤣

That doesn’t say those in education etc would be exempt. It just says the benefits are mainly for those who aren’t.

Apologies not just education
see above extract from bbc

"Do the armed forces really want to spend their budget on training a bunch of teenagers who are going to leave before they are useful in any way? What nonsense. "

The MoD made a statement on Thursday stating that national service would be a waste of resources and damaging to morale.