National Service if Tories are re-elected

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Exactly. Would have thought getting into the workforce/university would have also been a better option for ‘mixing outside the bubble’.

When I was at university a lot of my friends had an amazing time on the Erasmus scheme which certainly took them outside their bubbles, wonder which party is the blame for that no longer being an option…

Thats the other frustrating thing about this -
it’s going to cost a fortune, if they actually used that money directly into state schools to set up volunteering opportunities and infrastructure, support pre-existing schemes like Duke of Edinburgh, put in proper careers guidance so it’s not the responsibility of some poor overworked teacher, funded more apprenticeship schemes etc etc you could easily address loads of the problems we apparently need national service for!

The mail reading types (although admittedly looking at the comments even they aren’t falling for it) are arguably just as in a bubble as the average teenager is - so why not backdate the national service to anyone who didn’t have to do it if it’s going to be so great? Obviously the armed forces may not be an option for those older than the cut off age but they could definitely crack on with the non-military options the government is banging on about!

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Seriously, stop giving them ideas.... 🤣🤣🤣

I am actually quite angry. If the conservatives wanted to invest £2.5 billion on something why couldn’t they spend it on teen mental health!! Something that would actually help this generation to launch.

I have emailed my MP and party chair as it’s just insulting to produce policies designed to create even more misery.

The logistics of it is impossible. How can they work and take a weekend a month off to volunteer. The zero hours contracts are you are rostered on as suits employer. Mine has to find her own cover if she can’t take a shift. They need to work to fund sixth form and Uni (my dc’s loan won’t even cover her rent in the basic accommodation)
The hoops for some uni courses are immense needing work experience or sitting extra exams like ucat and lnat.
Mine did the NCS scheme voluntarily after yr 11. She volunteers weekly as a young leader in Girlguiding and has done for 4 years.
I volunteer hours of my time weekly but would have no interest in managing 18 yr old forced volunteers.

Or how about they spend it on....the military!

The problem with this is that you need a cohort of 18 year olds who actually accept the need for it, comply and a wider societal system that facilitates it. We have none of those things, and nobody has managed to explain how we're going to achieve them.

Working weekends in the NHS, Police or any other of the non-military options does not take anyone really out of their 'bubble'. Living at home, working in their local area still. Someone in rural Surrey is not going to be mixing with an inner city person from anywhere, are they?

Aren't these top politicians supposed to be the most well educated people in the country? Most coming from expensive privately educated backgrounds. And yet, some of the shit they come out with is astoundingly terrible. Most of them have zero real life skills or common sense.

The trouble with that is the schools have been infiltrated by the leftist woke agenda, along with the university’s, media, police and a lot of businesses.

I’m not saying I agree with the proposal but it does feel like a lot of younger people don’t have any sense of loyalty towards our country in fact they feel ashamed of it. They don’t realise how lucky we are compared to those who live under autocracy. I hope we don’t ever end up being involved in another war but if we do then we are finished. Western civilisation is under threat and we won’t know just how fortunate we are until it’s gone.

What I don’t understand is why those who feel so ashamed of the UK don’t just leave? And if it’s such a bad country then why are so many people so desperate to move here?

Exactly right!

Don'y give him ideas , Pike !

Oh this will never apply to their children so really not an issue.

That's really not funny considering a Spitfire crashed yesterday and a RAF pilot lost his life

I have to be honest this really does seem to highlight a total lack of understanding and empathy for the situation our young people are actually in.

All the parents I know struggling with self harm, suicide attempts, anxiety has rocketed in this age bracket, not to mention severe depression and mental breakdown. The last thing they need is conscription - they need access to a decent mental health system!!!

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I got to leftist woke and stopped reading. My brother goes on about this and lives in North Norfolk and when I ask him how doe this affect him in his vialle he has no answer. Then goes on a Daily Mail rant about drag story time or some such.

Very few places to go, post-Brexit. And you’re quite right that with all its many faults, the UK does remain a preferable place to somewhere devastated by war or famine, which is where most people desperate to move here are coming from.

As someone said earlier, at first people would take a piss and lots would refuse but over time it would become just a normal part of life, just like with any major change. It would just be an expected part of growing up for young people, one they might look forward to for the skills they'll learn and the people they meet, or one they just want to get over with as quickly as possible (like how some view the last couple of years of school - and like with school, they're still benefiting even if they don't like it*)

*well, school as it should be anyway. With the way secondary schools are these days then its debatable whether some children are benefiting from being there)

In UK ? Er no.

Not since 1960 - so even my Dad who recently died at 80 never had this hanging over him.

Over my dead body will my child be doing this.

If young people do not feel loyalty to the UK, and I do not accept that btw, it will have much to do with how they have been treated by other older people. We need to fix our society by looking at what we have done, but that is too hard for insular, largely richer and older people so you get this stuff for their pleasure.

i believe the poster is saying to improve the attitudes of the general public to improve and make a better society, eg teach people not to litter and in theory create a society with no littering etc

Yeh, his kids can trial it

There are so many opportunities to move overseas - so I don’t agree with that at all. There is life beyond Europe.

Most of the people arriving are economic migrants from France not fleeing famine. I think we need to be real. We live in a great country and even with the mad ideas etc it is a good place to live.

Has Rishi actually confirmed the policy? I keep seeing headlines about leaked documents but haven't seen him say that he has this plan?