How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

Strange isn't it. Soundbites. Do they read the Daily Mail or Sun by any chance?

That's because they're Tory voters. Oblivious to the most obvious of facts.🙄

We are all allowed to vote with our purses; for most people, it is the only sensible way to vote. My purse tells me that a progressive government is going to take more, and as I have retired (18 months ago) so will not be refilling it with earnings every month, and both my parents are still alive and quite well in their 90s. I expect to eke out what I have saved to accumulate to have and make it last me for 25-30 years.

@TooBigForMyBoots do you ever reflect on the effect your words have? Some Labour posters really do not have any opinion that's more nuanced than my way or the highway. And many are unnecessarily objectionable with it. So, kindly and respectfully, I disagree with you very strongly.

If I might observe, there is more than a skim of arrogance in many of the Labour posts.

"I have a degree (maybe media studies) so I must be right cos I'm eddicated."

ODFOD. Only in the last 20 years has anyone considered people with degrees brighter than their cohort. Before that we rated people on their achievements. Guess which is the better guide.

I doubt very much that anyone with a degree would misspell educated. Graduates have always been regarded as brighter than their cohort, that was particularly the case when only 5% of us had them, they don’t just tear them off a roll and hand them to anyone who shows up.

honestly if id have known that people would think i wasn't very bright if i didn’t have a degree i might have got one

@Blossomtoes... I was taking the mick. You and I often go back and forth (though I name change more than you). When have I ever misspelt a word, unless deliberately. I have edited more posts for SPaG than content. Like you, I am part of the 5% graduate generation. Still not convinced that a degree ought to be a minimum entry level qualification though.

A friend, who works for a major IT multinational's HQ in Brussels in HR said that any CV without a degree goes straight into the bin, unread. Given that one of my closest friends spent their university years in prison, and only has an MBA and has created a highly regarded IT company, the paper qualifications are clearly inhibiting and restricting the ability to hire well.

THEY PARTIED WHILE PEOPLE SUFFERED AND DIED ALONE.

I will never forgive or forget that. Fucking bastards.

I don't believe the Tories want to win this election. It has to happen because the five year term is nearly up. So the old guard are getting out by resigning. early Five or 10 years in opposition, and I will make a fresh judgement on the new talent.

@Papyrophile I think they're going to need 10 years to rebuild themselves into a right leaning centrist party that people can respect. If I were advising them, I'd tell them to go and talk to the likes of John Major, Damian Green, Ken Clark, even William Hague and listen very seriously, because those Tories understood what the British electorate are looking for.

There will be a very low turn out I think. This will play to the conservatives not labour but only to the extent of labours majority not being very big

Absolutely this. If they talked to all the people Johnson kicked out and what’s left of the old guard they might stand a chance. I doubt that they will though.

I think you may be very wrong about that. There is a hell of a lot of anger towards the Tories - much of it from Tories. I strongly suspect it will be a case of Tory voters not turning out.

I don’t agree, I think turnout will be high-there are a lot of very pissed off people out there.

My grandparents, in their 90s, are lifelong Tories and have voted for them in every general election since the 1960s (and always vote in the local elections too).

They can’t bring themselves to vote for anyone else but this will be the first time they won’t vote at all.

Obviously it’s just one anecdote about 2 Conservative voters but I do think the Tories are fucked.

There are a lot of very pissed off people. My money’s on a high turnout.

@AmpleFatball my cousin has been a party member since she was old enough to join and has always voted loyally Tory. Her MP is Liz Truss.

She's not voting for them this time, she is furious with them.

Maybe we should know our place if voting labour. I don’t think people are being arrogant. You just don’t like being told that the tories are incompetent and a busted flush.
I’ve also had to draw my work pension at 58 although will have to work until I’m 67 because it’s not amazing. I don’t have parents in their 90s that I would inherit off. Most went in rest home fees of 300k. So I also have to eke out what I have. But you know, I don’t mind voting for a Government that might invest more in public services and our young people, level up north and south. I know that means paying more tax, so be it.

I am not a Labour poster and I have no idea what you are talking about. What effects are my words having? What are you disagreeing with me about in such a kindly, respectful and strong manner?

Whilst I agree it would be cheaper

It would mean we should accept fraud on some levels.
We really shouldn’t accept it on any level.

What would be the cost difference between the social tariffs for WIFI now compared to free WIFI?

Hmmmmmmmm

TBH, that "old guard" also wrecked the country, the nhs, industry, housing... hence the Con's were in opposition for 13 years.

Having read the absolute vitriol to Tory voters. I don’t think anybody voting Tory would say it these days. I actually do not know anybody voting Labour. Most people I have spoken to are politically homeless. They rather spoilt the vote. Labour still scares people and KS did not do himself many favours with his divisive policy on private education. For me personally I find the majority of Labour voters very scary, brainwashed and ignorant. KS would be moulding himself to appease those voters. So expect quite a lot of more politics of envy and division coming our way once KS is in.