Is it really Andrew Tate or do some boys just have terrible role models in the home?

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I’m seeing all this sexism in class stuff on TV just now, they blame Andrew Tate for everything. I bet a lot of these boys have Fathers and male role models who are the type of men we read about on the relationship boards here. You know the guys who want a submissive provider.

A dominance hierarchy and scrapping? This thread is about Andrew Tate who talks about rape and dominating women. He's part of the manosphere that includes incels whose ideology is based on rape.

Wasn't there any rape 50 years ago or misogyny?

The thread is about male remodels or the general lack of them in many boys lives?

@Laidbacklukeah I see you can type things into AI and regurgitate them. Boys and girls in childhood are the same and should be treated as such.

Boys will be boys is dangerous twaddle.

It's about people like Andrew Tate or terrible role models at home. We have a problem with boys in this country. Rape, sexual assault, treatment of girls and female teachers are all issues in the press.

Why are they like this?

You asked for references, I've provided links to peer reviewed studies.

Can you please share evidence to support your idea boys and girls need the same parenting styles / treatment?

Why lots of young people do not have a positive male role model in their life is a big question, it's not something we're going to answer here. A few of the biggest factors in my experience / opinion are:

Some parents are crap (mums and dads) often because their parents were too.

Family court for a long time massively favoured mums in child custody arrangements. Even the best dad in the world can't have much impact contact is limited to every second weekend.

Society views all men with suspicion, this puts a lot off from volunteering, running youth groups, sports teams etc where they may help kids who don't otherwise have a male figure to support them.

The endless bashing of men, the loss of many typical male career paths like manufacturing, getting a raw deal in divorce etc is leading a growing number of guys to opt out of society and being a positive factor.

@Laidbackluke I appreciate your thoughtful comments but they're not really answering the question.

I read that young boys are barking at female teachers and refusing to talk to them because they think they're inferior.

Being from a single parent household doesn't really explain that. We're not talking about men opting out of society, we're talking about schoolboys.

Accepting religions and cultural practices detrimental to women for "diversity" reasons and having a big make up of the population including up to majority of pupils in classes in many schools, teachers, councillors raised in and practicing cultures that have backward beliefs about women and how to be in society.
So we have no more boundaries and anything goes. It's how criminals and the evil operate, erode boundaries and make people question their reality. That then leads on to tate, genderism, etc.
Tate wouldn't have had any chance of a platform or following in the UK 50 years ago.

Which one? The one about the majority of fathers not pursuing contact arrangements through the court, or the existence of the kinds of attitudes fictionalised in Adolescence?

THe majority of dads comment, and which leads to the obvious question of why should they need to fight for a right which is freely given to mums?

This is news to me and new reporting is pretty wooly on it, how may times has this actually occurred?

Calling young boys misogynistic incells is very much in vogue at present so teachers who are already more likely to view the world through a gender focused lense are likely even more obsessed with it.

The articles don't mention the race or religion of the boys who may have been involved. The cultural make up of the UK has changed massively in past decades and many have come from less egalitarian roots which may be a big factor.

I caught the end of an interesting interview with a head teacher this week, her position was they had managed to tackle kids bringing knives in to school etc by enforcing the little tuff. Her argument was kids need a way to rebel and push the boundaries, if no one cares about vaping, school uniform, tardiness etc they have to go further. She gave them a way to rebel by turning up in trainers etc.

It would be interesting to see how this applied to schools with barking boys.

I think the reason boys agree with misogyny is because it benefits them, why wouldn’t they go along with the notion that they’re superior to the opposite of themselves ? A lot of boys have low self esteem and to be the better/fairer sex is an ego boost. Putting others down that you perceive or are told are beneath you gives you a kick and makes you feel good. Of course they are going to agree.

We're not claiming him, thanks.

Signed, an autistic person who is wholly capable of empathy and also capable of not being an epic, thundering twat on just about every level.

I read the first article you linked, and it very carefully mentions children all the way through, as opposed to boys. And certainly I got an awful lot out of wide games, climbing trees etc with my female buddies as a child I the woods.

I've never really looked at parenting girls as its not something I've done. But there seems to be plenty to support the idea boys need dads who engage with them and show a level of dominance.

I've linked studies after which specifically mention boys.

I think boys are just grasping at anyone who actually shows support, care or acceptance of them. Many treat young men as future sex offenders / perpetrators of domestic, they grow up watching a significant amount of effort being put in to providing opportunities for girls with similar schemes for boys few and far between.

show a level of dominance Hmmm.... In what way? Im not sure about the sound of that, teaching young boys that males need to be dominant.

It's not about teaching young boys they need to be dominant, it about the role of a dominant figure in controlling rough play which gives boys a place to learn to regulate and control emotions and aggression. There is plenty of literature on it and its not something that's going to be conveyed in a forum post.

@Laidbackluke

Here you go:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/apr/19/teachers-warn-rise-misogyny-racism-uk-schools

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/18/schools-sexual-assaults-by-pupils

There's no actual figures in these pieces? How many teachers have been barked at? Other than sensational headlines what are we basing this on?

You seem to be overly focused on the barking. If you read the article, you'll see that these are experiences of female teachers.

@Laidbackluke this is the report carried out by Ofsted referenced by previous poster

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges

A teacher friend told me the other day about a staff survey in their secondary school where over 70% of staff said they had been bullied by students, a large part of that was misogynistic behaviour by boys against female staff

Oh well I I said before I brought up my boys without rough play, I didn't encourage it, and I had no problem in saying "no". Didn't really require any dominance - didn't require a man either!

Did you not have these boy children with the aid of a woman? Have you never talked to her about what it's like to be a girl?

Sure. Here's an informative fact sheet from the Nuffield Family Justice Observatory: https://www.nuffieldfjo.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/nfjo_whos_coming_to_court_England_full_report_FINAL-1-.pdf

On page 9 it has a summary box that states "Only a minority of separated or divorced parents turn to the family court to make arrangements for their children. Most parents make arrangements informally between themselves." There's lots of other very interesting data on their web site.

What you think is an obvious question looks to me like a non sequitur. The majority of children of separated parents live with their mother. The majority of separated fathers are content enough with that situation that they don't bother going to court to change it. The "rights" that you see as being freely given to mothers are being freely given to them by the fathers of their children.

So to me the question isn't "why should fathers need to fight for a right which is freely given to mums", but "why are so many fathers content to do the bare minimum of parenting when they are no longer with the mother of their children?"