Sexism examples

[Magicboobies]

Has anyone got any examples of sexism here in UK recently?
husband truly believes there is not much sexism “these days” 🙄 we work in the same profession and i gave him a few examples of at work and he was like “really! I’m sure most people don’t experience sexism nowadays”
I agree we have come a long way but also think he doesn’t see and a lot of little things will go un noticed

I agree.

The passport office charging for name changes isn’t because it applies equally to men and women (and even if you change gender your name you do t have to change your passport until it expires).

Why aren’t we challenging it then?

why do the vast majority of women subscribe to the “proud to be a mrs”, and want the world to know they’re married and “belong” to their husband?

why do so many women voluntarily change their names, claiming it’s a free choice?

yes it’s sexist and I really don’t get why women don’t see the inherent sexism.

we could simply stop doing it. Can we really complain it’s sexist when we are the one’s perpetuating it?

Hi @Magicboobies

One for your DH went to sealife centre with my lads on Wednesday. The went on the VR experience DS 6 was offered all the choices except the mermaid adventure. He proudly chose the mermaid adventure to the surprise of the operator and loved it.

Low level I know but it did make me see what gets posted on MN a lot the opposite way around.

So you think there would be nothing sexist about a rule that says only people over 6ft can vote?

Not just in bars! I worked in a cafe for 6 weeks when I started college (till I couldn't stand it any longer!).
Men working in offices next door used to come in for late breakfasts then again about an hour later for coffee, and some of the things they'd say about their wives, girlfriends, even daughters, just made me sick. And they happily boasted about friendships, fancies, even affairs with other women.
What got me most was having no concern for us listening and even trying to involve us in their sexism and misogyny. I'm blonde, slim(ish!), "conventionally attractive" and they had no scruples over treating me as a "babe" who was there to butter their egos.
And these weren't stereotypical "building site johnnies", these were mostly suit-and-tie paper pushers.

Well, no. Women need more cubicles for the same experience because what we have to do is different. Setting up toilets so they meet mens needs better than they meet women’s needs is sexist.

Also though less the case nowadays than historically, women still tend to wear clothing that would take longer to deal with, even if men had to sit on the loo every time too. And they tend to take children (who make the whole thing take longer) with them more than men. Both these are social difference rather than biological ones, but that’s the society with live in and having other things like toilets ignore the needs those social differences create just compounds the sexism that women experience.

And women also have to deal with menstruation and miscarriage in public/company facilities, which men don't have to manage.

It takes women longer to pee because we have to go into a cubicle, lock the door, remove a coat, hang a bag, lift a skirt or lower trousers, or undo a onepiece (and sit practically naked) and lower underwear, THEN PEE, then wipe, then reverse it all.

If you need a poo, or you've bled through a pad/tampon and need to change underwear (if you're lucky you've got spare in the bag that's hanging up out of reach), it will take longer.

And then you have to deal with the children who need a pee/poo and stop them getting in your bag or mucking around with the sanitary bin or paper dispenser.

I have one today for you. My company is implementing a new way of working - insert eye roll. Anyway, the number crunchers who have devised this standardised was have decided the baskets (all our work takes place in baskets, so each piece of work is separate) need to be stored upside down when not in use so all our stacks of baskets were turned upside down yesterday by the young man from the number crunchers. With me so far?

So when you go to pick up a small upside down item, you'd grab it by the base, right? Except that's fine if you've a man's hand. Not so if you've smaller women's hand and I'm now nursing an injury to my thumb from overstretching. I even tested my theory with the women in branch today and the one male member of staff. He can pick up both the small and the medium, no problem. Some of the others can do the small but not the medium, but the small is a stretch.

And yes, over 90% of the people in my company in branches working with this new system are female.

As an aside - the male member of staff is the most junior but often asked if he's the manager/ most qualified member of staff 🙄

Patriarchy is bad for everyone

If there was such a law, I'd think sexism would be the least of our concerns! Yes- it would be incidentally detrimental to women, but it would also discriminate against loads of men. I wouldn't describe it as sexist.

But if there were such a law, it would be sexist - indirect sex discrimination because men are overwhelmingly more likely than women to be over 6ft tall. The fact that many men are under 6ft (and some women over 6ft) doesn't change that.

How about all the car salesmen at every dealership talking to my husband instead of me when we were recently buying a car for me.
Also the car salesman telling me “well done you did fine” after he took me on a test drive…I’ve been driving for 24 years!!!!!!

Agree but was trying to simplify matters (I am a woman so I do know how we pee!).
But get us up to equal numbers of places to pee THEN try for more to actually equal the situation.

I’m male and sexism is still very much alive from what I can see.

Just one personal example
I’m a football fan and occasionally go to matches with my Dad, I purchased tickets for a women’s game and asked if he’d like to go

He responded with ‘I’ll give it a go, but…” and then treated me to some pretty sexist views on how the women’s game is different and how even tho the women often do better than men (like in the World Cup) it doesn’t count because…

I lost a lot of respect for him that day
And there are so many other examples I could give.

If you start shouting 'sexism' at things that are discriminatory but not necessarily sexist, you devalue the word. I understand what you are saying; I just don't agree with all of it. That doesn't mean I have to be 'new here' or a troll. Or would you prefer an echo chamber where everybody instantly agrees with each other? Thoughtful discussion can be useful.

Many years ago the police had height restrictions. They were abolished as indirect discrimination against people of different races. The heights for men and women were different but based on the averages of white people.

Actually when the women's and men's forced supposedly amalgamated they actually moved the women in to the men's force losing all the skills the women's force had developed.

Things like being able to monitor for run aways, knowing the prostitutes who worked in a certain area and buying them an occasional coffee to find out what was going on.

The hunt for the Yorkshire ripper probably went on longer than it needed because all these skills were lost and the police (all men) did not think he targeted women who were not prostitutes.

I watched a documentary a few years ago where the investigating officers were still describing some of the victims as 'innocent'.

Even today if you want to get away with murder, then kill a prostitute.

@13J have a look at how much male footballers are paid compared to female, then have a look at how far the men get in competitions compared to females.

God all the time at work. I am technical and constantly get people asking me to do admin or set up meetings as they assume my male colleage, who is non technical, is the technical one.

Constant mansplaining from certain people.

Two guys at my bootcamp joked that a fellow bloke would ‘have to try a pink workout band’ as he was struggling with the one he was using. This was as I was using the same strength one as them

Several years ago I lived in Canada, and they insisted on using birth (maiden) names on official records e.g., social insurance number, etc. even if you had changed it on marriage.
It was actually pretty inconvenient as my passport was in my married name and I had no ID in my maiden name. I had to get my birth certificate sent over.
I wonder how many other countries do this.

waitress offering to hold the baby so dad could eat when out alone with baby. Happened enough times he casually mentioned how helpful it is they do this. I’ve never had that offer made to me I get glares if they making noise.

ex never attending meetings with the disability social worker about our disabled child yet when I have to rearrange one and it’s hard to find a time I can do due to my caring responsibility for said child I’m told i should rethink my priorities.

the fact I’m always called to collect the children. It’s assumed I will be the one giving up work to care for disabled child while at the same time it’s not reasonable to expect x to take a day off work to have him when I’m in hospital. Exs mum had to take a day off work then his gf took the rest of the week off. He’s still praised for stepping up. Ex earns £20k ish a year working part time serving tea and coffee to first class customers his gf works in education her being off work would have had much more impact on the job and she earns 3 times what he does at least.

in my circle I know lots of parents of disabled children. I don’t know if a single dad who gave up work to care for the kids. Not do I know of a single mum who fucked of and left the family because caring is hard but many of the dads leave.

the stats on how many men leave a terminal I’ll partner is shocking. There are many stats like that if you look them up.

ive also worked in a pub and echo what others are saying. The way men talk about women seems it’s most are sexist. Or at least most who go pub without their partners, perhaps the good ones are home contributing to family life or responsable for the children while mum is out 🤷‍♀️

Men's rights?! Words fail me.

Yes. Pretending things aren't sexist when they are is a pretty common way Men's Rights activists try to minimise the responsibility of society to ensure equal treatment of women. As though the things that discriminate against women do so out of natural consequences rather than because the choices made are worse for women than for men.

I merely disagreed that providing the same toilet facilities for men and women was sexist - because it doesn't discriminate between the two sexes when it SHOULD. Sometimes discrimination is a good thing and beneficial. That's not me sticking up for men's rights!