Is the trans movement trending out?

[Yatzydog]

Reading another thread prompted this. As a teacher, I have noticed that there are no trans kids this year. I teach in a middle school in europe: 3 years corresponding to years 8 - 10 (!). As the last academic year ended, the last trans kids left the school. No new ones coming through the school.

Has it trended out amongst the kids, leaving the older teenagers / twenty somethings? Then in 20 years' time only the hardcore, like seeing an 60-year old punk?

I think it’s more indicative that boys STILL feel more comfortable in saying “no” than girls do.

I think the kids all worked out that actually the ones identifying as trans were hard work to be around - very sensitive, self-centred, highly likely to have other issues such as eating disorders, trauma, mental health difficulties- these are not easy people to be friends with so generally the "normal" kids just found each other and trans-identifying teens went to the fringes of social circles. The ones identifying as trans because it felt trendy or that it could help you be popular soon forgot all about trans then.

It’s strange.. females tend to be the most supportive.
And then scream blue murder when men are in their changing rooms and winning their sports medals.
It’s as if they can’t connect the dots…

I can feel the pain through your thread. Sending hugs.

DD is 12 and there don’t seem to be any trans or NB in her year (girls’ secondary), though there are some in the sixth form who regularly do LGBT rights assemblies about pronouns and so on — DD says it’s cringe and ridiculous. The older school years indulge it, while the younger ones roll their eyes at it! My impression is that it’s rapidly falling out of fashion.

If awareness of trans identity is so normalised where you're from, why are trans people being murdered and committing suicide at a far higher rate than anywhere else in the world? Doesn't that suggest that this heightened awareness isn't actually benefiting trans people in your country?

I have four children between 18 and 22, and they agree with pp's children that it's 'cringe' now. My youngest had a 'non binary' friend 3 years ago, and they're still friends but nobody mentions it now. I feel so sorry for the kids (and their parents) that were caught up in it.

@TENSsion that's a really good point

My sixth former thinks its all made up bollocks but would still use someone's preferred new name because its respectful and would just try to avoid pronouns altogether.

My university student actually thinks its made up bollocks but wouldn't dare say that for fear of being ostracised and has both a close trans friend (female to male had a full mastectomy but no bottom surgery) and is good friends with her "gay" boyfriend (male - but clearly not gay since he is in a sexual relationship with a biological female). He would always, always use preferred pronouns even when the friend is not around. He had a JK Rowling Strike book at Christmas and wouldn't take it back to Uni for fear of someone seeing it. Universities are still very much captured.

My nephew spent lockdown online with his 'friends' in America. He then announced he was transgender and made no changes at all to his appearance or personal hygiene apart from wearing really weird denim hotpants.

This went on for a year or two but gradually he stopped talking about it and now he's just a guy again. We're all politely not mentioning it, why embarrass the kid.

I am told by a young friend who is still at university that the whole trans/non binary wave is very much receding and only hardcore fanatics remain with few or no new converts.

When DD started university there were a huge number of transmen on her courses. A couple of years on, half of them have got boyfriends and suddenly gone back to being inherently female.

We had a whole cohort in my university department who arrived after the lockdown with special pronouns, name changes, trans and non-binary identities. I worked out it was 40% of the students.

The last two years, not one student with any of the above.

I think certain Universities might have more than others. Oxbridge very high numbers according to DN.

I suspect it's far harder for those who went for surgery to then quietly back down.

I'm hoping the same happens with the furries too! There's a girl who thinks she's a wolf at my daughters secondary school! 😆

My neice's whole friend group seemed to pretend they were boys in year 11 and 12. All went by "chosen names" and wore "boys clothes" (ie. just clothes ) and insisted on being called He.
I do wonder if this has continued into their university life or whether they've got bored with it?

I'm rubbish at maths, but the population will need to really keep replenishing or it will die out surely?

Yes. Too late for my step daughter too.

My favourite quotation of all time. Words to live by

High correlation with high-functioning SEN as everyone has said from the beginning

If we had decent support and early diagnosis for ND kids this wouldn't happen

That's interesting.

Could you also give us the stats for women & girls murdered by men and boys in your country please?

Dd, 17, had about a third of the girls in year 8 come out as male. Only one has continued but I wonder if it’s become their identity and it’s hard to pull back from. Dtds 13 have no trans dc in their year group. It is kind of fascinating. I wonder if it’s an unexpected covid response to lock downs etc at 13-14 years old.

Seeing parents “support” 10-11 year olds with this is heartbreaking. Talk to them, allow them to be a girl who likes stereotypical boy things. Let them be themselves without a lie that confuses them.

Um... What? Being gay doesn't rely on dressing in leather with buttocks hanging out. I am surrounded by gay family and friends and none dress this way. Being a fetishist is not the same as being gay - and fetishism isn't something that everyone, including children and the workplace, should have foisted on them or feel forced to accept.

It's definitely trended out among teens, as far as I can see in my local area (home counties). My two teens just roll their eyes. Older DS said it's only the attention seekers that ever jumped on that bandwagon anyway. I see the Pride flag with all the trans and other alphabet soup nonsense is flying from our local museum though this month. That got an eye roll from me when I went into town the other day. Am I PROUD to be heterosexual? FFS! And as for all the kink wear on display at Pride parades, can you imagine if straight men went out dressed like that? They be arrested for indecent exposure. It's a complete double standard and it pisses me off.