Did Harris lose because she was a woman?

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Apparently even after calling Puerto Rico a floating island of trash, many immigrants still voted for Trump. It's been argued that some sectors of society simply won't vote for a woman.

Even on here, I saw a post asking if a woman would be respected by world leaders.

What the fuck has happened that 50% of American adults are either completely morally bankrupt, or just incredibly uneducated? That's what needs addressing.

What utter nonsense. Is that the best you can come up with? The Democrats ran a terrible campaign with a useless candidate backed up with out of touch celebrity air heads.

I don’t think the erosion of women’s rights is hyperbolic nonsense but you’re entitled to your opinion.
Women are dying because Roe was overturned and will continue to do so.
A host of reasons boils down to a bad campaign and a loss.
I am also very concerned re Gaza, Ukraine, climate crisis and the outcome when the host of right wing bigots Trump is putting into place get power.
My American family did not need celebrity airheads to tell them how to vote but that’s the nature of American politics (for celebrity airheads see also Kid Rock and the strangeness that is Elon Musk)
Quite frankly I think a lot of maga voters have voted for leopards to eat their face but hopefully I’ll be proved wrong.

I don’t think the erosion of women’s rights is hyperbolic nonsense but you’re entitled to your opinion.

Well firstly if you look at the actual rules about abietion in the separate states quite a few have time limits longer than most of Europe.

Secondly comparing any US state to living under the Taliban is hyperbolic nonsense.

This is from September 2024.
"WASHINGTON, DC – Senator James Lankford (R-OK), member of the Senate Finance Committee, today called out Democrats’ fearmongering on abortion and warned that it may discourage women from receiving health care.
Witnesses for the hearing included Kaitlyn Joshua; Michele Goodwin, JD, Linda D. & Timothy J. O’Neill Professor of Constitutional Law and Global Health Policy, Georgetown University School of Law; Amelia Huntsberger, MD, Obstetrician and Gynecologist; Christina Francis, MD, Chief Executive Officer, American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists; and Heather G. Hacker, JD, Partner, Hacker Stephens LLP.
Excerpt
Lankford: I’ve even heard conversations today about ‘misinformation’ or ‘rhetoric’ or ‘intellectual honesty’ and all these things that have come out in the dialog today, and I want to be able to help bring some things together from hearing that testimony from the entire day on this. Ms. Hacker, just to clarify on this, are there any states where women face prosecution for having an abortion?
Hacker: No.
Hacker: Are there any states that criminalize miscarriage?
Hacker: No.
Lankford: Or the care for any for a miscarriage?
Hacker: No.
Lankford: Are there any states that criminalize removing an ectopic pregnancy?
Hacker: No.
Lankford: Are there any states that prohibit life saving care for the mother?
Hacker: No.
Lankford Are there any states where women have to be actively dying for a doctor to be able to act for her care?
Hacker: No.
Lankford: There’s been a lot of rhetoric on this that I’m concerned pushes people away from getting access to health care."

Obama campaigned on Freedom of choice act, he promissed to sign the bill as soon as he is in the office. After he was elected he said abortion rights law is not top priority.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was very critical of Roe v. Wade and said that it's susceptable to come under attack

Right wing Christians are getting a grip on politicians and lawmakers, my comparison to the Taliban is that they’re all religious nuts and should not be anywhere near the seat of power in any society.

Not hyperbolic nonsense at all.

Oh right so women in the US don't have the right to education? or to vote, or to work? or leave home? or congregate? or drive ? or marry or divorce who and when they choose? or hold elected office? to buy or rent a house? or run a business?

And Trump is planning to take away those rights?

It's hyperbolic nonsense to compare the US with the Taliban.

I did not say that and I fear you are being deliberate in your misunderstanding.

Takeovers do not start with extremes, they start with extremists obtaining positions of power and influence.

They start with “othering” people, immigrants, welfare recipients, minorities and with Project 2025, women.

The rise of misogyny and the desire to control women is not coincidental.

So yes, religious nuts are all the same.

I fear you are being deliberate in your patronising response.

What you said was America just voted in the Taliban.

That is hyperbolic nonsense.

Oh fgs!! (remember you started your initial response with that)I very obviously didn’t mean the actual Taliban.

I think I’m finished here.

It has been YOU that has been incredibly condescending and rude in your responses.

I very obviously didn’t mean the actual Taliban.

Maybe you should be clearer what you mean. You posted those words meaning the US has voted in a Taliban like regime. For all Trump's faults, the US has clearly not voted for a Taliban like regime.

And you (general you) wonder why the Democrats can't persuade voters- comments like "America just voted in the Taliban" are one of the reasons.

I also find the whole idea that the religious nutters have taken over the government offensive, even ignoring the insulting reference to the Taliban.

We have a constitutional separation of church and state in the US. The doesn't mean that Christians or any other religious group can't or shouldn't serve in government. We have Jews and Muslims in political offices as well. And there's nothing incompatible between Christian faith and democratic values. Trump, by the way, seems to have no genuine religious beliefs, which I'm fine with. He just likes having his picture taken holding the Bible.

One of the heroes of the January 6th riots was Mike Pence, the former Vice President. He's a deeply religious evangelical Christian, and he told Trump to FO when Trump tried to get him to interfere with the electoral counting process.

And you (general you) wonder why the Democrats can't persuade voters- comments like "America just voted in the Taliban" are one of the reasons.

Exactly this. People know when they're being looked down on. Denigrating the voters is a long-standing problem for the Democrats. It hurt Hillary, too.

Oh get over yourself!! You know exactly what I meant but don’t let that stop you.

I find it offensive that right wing evangelicals are being allowed political influence.

Trump didn’t just pose with a bible he was flogging them to his followers and actively courted the Christian right.

Unfortunately Mike Pence is not there to influence decisions any more.

But “discussions” on the internet is like catching water in a sieve, pointless and a waste of time.
Something I won’t be engaging in again!

Thank you. If I were in America and were entitled to vote it would have been for Harris, without much enthusiasm.

Some Democrat supporters seem to have learnt nothing from Hilary Clinton's loss so there's this poster spouting nonsense about "electing the Taliban" and from another- this gem

What the fuck has happened that 50% of American adults are either completely morally bankrupt, or just incredibly uneducated? That's what needs addressing.

I read the exact words you wrote. I did not know "exactly what you meant". No doubt you will attribute that to my being too stupid.

Alternatively you could perhaps consider that what you wrote was, at best, unclear, or at worst, scare- mongering hyperbolic nonsense.

This is pointless.
You have the last word, I’m off!!

You're welcome. American politics must seem very black and white to Brits. It's not, and Brits don't cover themselves with glory when they jump in with judgments about what's happened and why.

Yes, I noticed that gem too, I just chose not to respond to it. Worst case, it's hate speech. Best case, it's a massive case of cognitive dissonance. People can have different views from you without being stupid or evil.

I find it offensive that right wing evangelicals are being allowed political influence.

Are they not citizens entitled to their views? Choosing groups to silence is a slippery slope to autocracy.

9 out of 10 black women, and 8 out of 10 black men voted for Harris.

The majority of white voters wanted Trump.

And a LARGE majority of white men wanted Trump.

🤔

So whatever reasons people come up with on this thread for people rejecting Harris, they need to explain why those issues are so much more important to white voters than they are to black.

(FWIW - same percentage of black voters chose Biden in 2020, so 'they voted for her because she's black' probably isn't it.

@izimbra

I would have thought that it's because the Democrats are traditionally the party of the marginalised and Harris is mixed heritage and a woman.

Trump played on a lot of fears that are deeply embedded in the American psyche like the 'outsider' coming after American women.

Trump said that white women weren't safe from immigrant men and he would protect them whether they wanted him to or not.

@MissConductUS

"People can have different views from you without being stupid or evil."

It depends what those views are. If you constantly refer to undocumented people or transgender people (or any other minority) in a dehumanising way, or you support a politician who does this for the sake of political capital, then I think it's reasonable to label you as stupid and cruel.

There was a significant shift towards Trump for black voters overall, but it varied by state and how people ranked the importance of specific issues and the demographics in that state.

Political party affiliation and loyalty is very stable and will never turn on a dime in one election. It's fairly seismic that there was a measurable shift to Trump at all.

US election 2024 results: How Black voters shifted towards Trump - The Republican candidate almost doubles his support among Black voters compared with 2020, exit polls suggest. How and where? We break it down.

I’m more concerned that the Labour Party has never had a woman as leader ,or a person of colour as their leader!! I think Harris should have spent more time talking about her policies, and less time calling Trump and his supporters Nazis!!

Also she should have gone on Joe Rogan!!

That's a bit out of context. The poster I quoted implied that everyone who voted for Trump was either stupid or evil. Most simply disliked Harris more than Trump for various reasons.

For the second time,

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/11/07/democrats-need-to-understand-americans-think-theyre-worse

Again, the black-and-white, good vs. bad thinking about American politics is not enlightening or helpful.

She absolutely should have gone on Rogan's podcast, but her campaign strategy seemed to be "don't pick a lane." She didn't do unscripted interviews because she didn't want to be questioned about specifics in a way that would limit her later.

Unfortunately, this made the public perceive her as unauthentic and aloof. People want to hear from candidates directly before supporting them, and not just in scripted speeches.