Did Harris lose because she was a woman?

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Apparently even after calling Puerto Rico a floating island of trash, many immigrants still voted for Trump. It's been argued that some sectors of society simply won't vote for a woman.

Even on here, I saw a post asking if a woman would be respected by world leaders.

Agreed.

Agreed.

The original post I agreed with.

Ffs they are running the country and this is a small issue in a giant country. My 19 year old daughter just messaged me to ask if she can get an iud because she is scared she won't have any options come January. Have some perspective about what is going to happen now. I could give a flying fuck about someone transgender using the women's bathroom. It is really not a fucking issue here in the 1000 kids school I teach in, in the giant city I live in, in the huge state I live in. So much damn drama and ranting over something that isn't even a focus for 99% of the country. No one wants to watch you pee! I know far more transgender to male people then to female. I am more concerned about my daughter losing her fucking reproductive rights!

@Emptyspiral I’m so sorry-was there a question on preserving reproductive rights on your state’s ballot? It passed here, much to my relief.

I don't disagree with you, but the countries that reliably pay a living wage to their citizens are the more strongly socialist ones. Capitalism insists that people are paid the minimum that the employer can get away with if not forced otherwise.
The jobs that migrant workers do tend to be the ones that are paid less than a living wage precicely because their unofficial/undocumented status makes them less likely to make a fuss about being underpaid.

No, she started off polling higher and her sex and ethnicity did not stop that

It was the Oprah style delivery and celebtastic stuff, it just didn't cut through enough and celebs are no help these days

I am glad yours passed. It was not on our ballot for my state as it wasn't needed but now it is. And our House and Senate races are still too close to call and they are critical to the balance of our house and senate. Very frustrating and scary times for all of us actually living through the aftermath this election will bring. 😔

Yes. But is it the only reason? Who knows.

Plenty of Dems voted Biden but didn't vote this time round. Her being a woman will play a big role in that. Though of course also just not being like from the get-go does, too.

Plenty of men get the "men trash" from the liberals and "boo yea alpha male, let's subjugate women" from the right and so of course vote Trump (you can see this in the huge swing of young male voters towards Trump).

So yes, I think it played a big role, but I don't think anyone has sufficient data to determine what the decisive factor was. It may really be swinging of Biden, choosing her (who no one voted for, maybe if she had won a primary more Dems would have felt she deserved it and voted) when she had zero popularity. Her ratings as VP were pretty abysmal.

That percentage is increasing right now, at least here in Europe. Just look at the success of all the right-wing parties. Maybe Poland is one where it isn't, they are coming off PiS, while Le Pen, AfD, Meloni, Wilders they are all striving in Western Europe. And I am convinced it's the immigration topic and the general mainstream liberal attitude (which btw includes pushing gender identity). As I said in the post above how young US males swung towards Trump, in Germany it is young, hopeless, disenfranchised males in predominantly the former GDR that vote AfD. That are radicalised online.

Democrats lost precisely because they thought it was about her colour or sex and that everyone else cared about that. (Mostly they didn't).

Precisely because they thought they were so much cleverer and better than the average Joe slogging away to make a living. Because they promised those guys nothing . Because they were not shy about calling half the population sexist, racist, fascist, half-wits, (just as every Trump thread on here does).

And the other, (non Trump "good" ), half apparently had "dreams", because maybe they already had food and houses and jobs and healthcare and felt safe..???

Did they really think that was going to make people choose them to run the country??

Personally I agree with you. Americans don't want a woman president. I include female as well as male voters in that.

You can dress it up as saying Hilary was Unlikeable (like anyone thinks DT is likeable) or Kamala hasn't got any policies (I suppose DT has least got clamping down on immigrants as a policy) but ultimately its patriarchy in action.

DT is a rapey, criminal, fraudster. At the end of the day he should not have been on the ticket leg alone elected.

He will probably achieve as much in office as last time. Nothing good, some bad, not much really. It'll be nice when he goes again and they put in some other likely pale stale male

Also I appreciate that abortion rights went with trump but that was a domino affect that could have been achieved by any republican.

This, IMO.
Her being a woman is largely incidental. The electorate are sick of inflation and also repeatedly being told they’re wrong, e.g. for knowing there are only 2 sexes or caring about immigration. Huge backlash.

Identity politics are an obsession of the left. The rest of the electorate care far more about real life issues that impact the fabric of their lives. Look at the Tories… people don’t give two shits that the leader is a black woman, but the left is obsessed with these labels.

She lost because she is a black woman

Also because she was very vague about what she stood for, came across as highly inauthentic and is a charisma vacuum. Not very electable.

As opposed to Trump who came across as a highly charismatic mysoginistic lunatic
Sooo electable

But look at trump!
He's awful!

He is so disliked all around the world.

But crucially, not in America. and really, that’s all that matters. Not what literal foreigners feel about him

America is ready to elect a woman. Hilary won the popular vote, not the electoral college.

Americans voted for economic change with Trump, and against a woke ideologue agenda pushing candidate (who happens to be a woman) who incidentally can’t string a coherent sentence together.

Sorry, I interpreted "leader" as a more general word. Maybe because there are fewer ladies in politics, and the capable ones are undermined by other ladies, in their own parties. Like Tulsi Gabbard was, by Hillary. I hope I'll live to see it, but I think the first one will come from the Republican side.
I didn't want Harris to be the first. She was a DEI pick, lazy and completely incapable to do the VP job. From the gossip, even her ex-boyfriend, Willie Brown, was against her being put forward to run for President. She did it before, in 2020, and she got no votes in primary. Gretchen Withmer would've been more capable as VP for Biden, but she's white

Not in America?

Are you for real?

I'm seeing loads of American people online saying that they want to leave America, because they hate Trump.

Instagram is full of American people talking to each other about how they can leave America.

They're telling each other which countries they can get digital nomad visas for, so they can leave the USA and work somewhere else.

The only person who has ever beaten Trump is Joe Biden in 2020

Biden wanted to run in 2016 but the Clintons and Obamas insisted it was Hillary’s turn.

If he had, I think Biden, in his heyday, a talented, experienced and credible politician who knows how to talk to blue collar America, would have beaten Trump - and Trump would have been but a political footnote, gone back to Wall Street or reality TV shows. End of story.

The Democratic Party has to look into its past and be honest about its own dominant figures, before it can look to the future.

I highly doubt any of them will actually follow through and go and live in another country. Stuff like that is usually performative for social media.

Most of the celebrities who said they would leave in 2016 if Trump got in publicly backtracked after the election (Whoopi Goldberg, Miley Cyrus, Amy Schumer, etc etc)