I'm asking Keir a question about women's rights on 5 live - how to phrase it?

[JanefromLondon1]

I want him not to be able to give me the flannel that we have to be kind to the woMen. I want assurances that we do t have to share our spaces. I want to not sound like the very nervous person that am I!

Any help appreciated?

It’s been an abuse of those children who were denied the care they actually needed. I’m hoping and praying law suits start soon. Usually that’s the best way to bring people to their senses when it starts hitting their pockets.

I believe people are generally tolerant of things outside the norm of the relevant tribe up to a point, but where the norm itself is then threatened by something, by outliers, people will buck against it as knowing the norm is fundamental to the smooth running of society which is essential for human existence. I believe that this is behind the swing right round much of the west.

Change is being accelerated beyond human capacity to evolve. It’s actually very similar to the Industrial Revolution and the period of Enlightenment, where we saw revolutions across continents and Nostalgia and Romanticism sprung up as a counter. We now have political parties very much basing their manifestos on the “good old days”. We have to wonder given the long term effects of industrialisation on humanity and the planet whether the Luddites (so long berated for their lack of embracing change) weren’t right all along

Multicultiralism doesn’t really work as it doesn’t fit with a norm and therefore destabilises society, not being able to define a woman (or man) doesn’t fit because that is the very essence that will enable the survival of the human race.

This isn't an issue the vast majority of those absolutely disgusted with the tories are going to look right for a solution to, regardless of all the noise coming from the one-issue brigade.

It is not 'one issue' though, it is the sole issue for millions of the 51% of the population.

Not when they've got mouths to feed it isn't.

It’s an issue that permeates almost every aspect of society though, Therefore, trying to undermine its importance through the childish use of derogatory language, is heavily flawed

Unfortunately, this is unlikely to change with Labour. This is a global issue with many underlying causes and domestic politics will only ever tinker round the edges.

Women's Rights Network (WRT) weekly Newsletter highlighted Jane's tussle with twaddle:

"Keir Starmer Speaks to a Woman

When a caller to Keir Starmer on BBC Radio asked how he would protect women’s spaces with a relaxation of GRC rules, Starmer tried to claim historic loyalty to women and obfuscated. He could barely get out the words, “We will respect women’s spaces” before loading on the “poor suffering” men rhetoric and when that didn’t work, he tried to resurrect his own politicisation of a teenager’s murder.

WRN said, “Your rehearsed, much repeated, and very badly briefed response will not do. Caller Jane knows it. We all know it. You just don’t #RespectMySex.”

*Have a listen for yourself and maybe you could be the next Jane."

*That link didn't work but I found a recording on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/bbc5live/reel/C8wsIF3N4kh/

It's an issue that doesn't even come close to feeding, clothing and housing people. Trying to overstate its importance bears no more credibility than accusing someone of childishness for offering an opinion you disagree with in one breath and then accusing them of using derogatory language in the next.

Whether it changes with labour or not, and I'm certainly not holding my breath, there isn't going to be any significant swing away from labour over this, regardless of the noise.

Keir Starmer twaddled because he's tw addled.

Yes, women have enough on their plates. Feeding and clothing themselves and their children (which apparently we're not having enough of btw). So, Keir is prioritising their interests by <checks notes> pandering to the luxury beliefs of a (contrary to what they would have you believe) a privileged, coddled, protected minority.

Great, then it won't matter a jot if we vote anything but labour or spoil our ballots eh

You must do what you see fit.

Like I needed your permission. Try to sound a bit less condescending eh

"It's an issue that doesn't even come close to feeding, clothing and housing people. Trying to overstate its importance bears no more credibility than accusing someone of childishness for offering an opinion you disagree with in one breath and then accusing them of using derogatory language in the next."

I bet plenty said that about votes for women too. Your whataboutery is not going to distract us from tackling the biggest threat to female rights in our lifetime.

Like I care what you do. Try to sound a bit more adult eh?

You are on this thread telling us it doesnt matter how we vote, you evidently care.

Still very condescending I see.

Oooh did that barb hit, oh dear, never mind.

Re: housing look how the issue of trans activism managed to infiltrate even there in this instance ( and I am sure there will be others):

A housing officers experience in ScotlandWings Over Scotland | On the frontline of the Gender Wars
https://wingsoverscotland.com/on-the-frontline-of-the-gender-wars/

Only yesterday another parent with a 17 year old autistic boy who says he is trans, having never previously shown any sign of feeling this way.

“I bet plenty said that about votes for women too. Your whataboutery is not going to distract us from tackling the biggest threat to female rights in our lifetime.”

What “whataboutery”??

I think there are many women (myself included) who would never vote Labour whilst they hold this view.

Historically, as a swing voter, they would have had my vote, as it’s good to rotate governments- their ineptitude in different areas brings balance. But the trans issue is all permeating and overrides every other consideration here. Any woman who doesn’t see the danger clearly doesn’t understand

There are so many women on other threads outside of this board who are posting that they "couldn't get worked up about toilets" and claiming we must all support the Tories. I really don't think they understand what is at stake here either. I have never voted Tory and have no plans to but many women on MN seem to think Labour will be their salvation.

Labour 2024 is coasting on the positive memories of Labour 1997 when Blair and Co were committed to making a difference in people's lives (although I wish they hadn't built so much infrastructure via PFI).

People seem convinced that Labour will fling open the coffers if they're voted in, despite Labour politicians saying that they will match Tory spending plans 🤷‍♀️

It's like generals fighting the last war.

Rarely turns out well.