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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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MademoiselleÉtoile · 22/12/2023 17:05

I'm still not convinced that there even is a partner, and she is there alone in Venice again.
She mentioned "friends" invited her to a Christmas breakfast a few weeks ago........

What is absolutely clear to me is that she has spectacularly decimated her life, and no amount of attempts at reinventing it will change that fact.

No children with her.
No family either.
She writes as if a huge burden has been lifted, but could you find a more narcissistic and selfish woman?
She's appears to have crossed a line recently, and as others have said it is truly sickening.

This is the real Liz Fraser laid bare right there.

Cambridgebunz · 22/12/2023 18:53

"I am half Czech, and I feel my Czech heritage really strongly.”

However, not enough to care that 14 people have lost their lives in the country’s worst atrocity, many of these the ages of the children shes forgotten she had.

The Annecy shooting in the summer she managed to make about her. A few months later, man secured, she’s doesn’t even pretend to care. She’s so cold her heart is stone.

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
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Raffington55 · 22/12/2023 21:27

We forget that psychopaths outwardly appear to be perfectly 'normal' people. Look at Ted Bundy.

RhinoRhino · 23/12/2023 07:26

In the last few years Liz Fraser claims to have gone through unimaginable trauma, suffering from PTSD, complex-PTSD along with being diagnosed with ADHD and having various other unspecified mental health issues. All whilst bringing up a small child on her own - the child’s father being apparently deemed so dangerous that Liz – with all her issues – chose to make it her life’s work to keep him away from his daughter for 2 years.

And now Ms Fraser has apparently recovered from the various PTSDs etc, and is looking forward to a fantastic future of travelling, writing and running. (Not working, mind you.)

Her recovery seems very much to coincide with a period of Ms Fraser seeing little (if anything) of the child. An unusual turn of events, to say the least.

It begs so many questions. If Liz, at her most traumatized and mentally ill, was considered a much better parent than her child’s father, then how come a recovered Liz seems to be estranged from her very young daughter, who now appears to be spending most of her time in her father's custody? It makes no sense.

Is it a case of the father overcoming his addictions and demons and being willing and able to provide a stable and nurturing environment for his daughter, and Liz – even with those Fraser genes – simply being unable to prioritise her daughter’s wellbeing over her own addictions? (Exercise, daily calorie intake, ED’s, photographs of herself etc.)

I really do hope the child is thriving, because her time in Liz' sole custody looked chaotic, frightening, isolating and very much dictated by Liz' addiction to exercise.

As a little side issue, I fully expected the lovely photo of kids on a gate on somebody else’s Insta to be re-created on Liz’ stories – Ade, Bitemesausage and another random sad Twitterphant swinging on a gate, looking over fields of beautiful wildflowers, the picturesque Dolomites in the background, with the accompanying caption “HAPPEEEEEEEE”.

Kikibee · 23/12/2023 07:55

Ha ha ha ha, now that’s an insta worthy photo I’d love to see 😂

Perfectlystill · 23/12/2023 08:17

LOL at the flabby droopy old men she stages her thirst shots for dropped over a gate!!

Thank goodness Scout has a happy new young family to have a proper childhood with. I really hope her life looks up now - she deserves some proper carefree family time.

Cambridgebunz · 23/12/2023 10:00

The lies Liz must have told the Family Court and Children’s Services backs up what she has long said about these systems and the police being broken. The ‘patriarchy’ worked in her favour.

Who remembers the “f,ckin c,nt women who support abusers” or words to this effect? This woman, alongside her alleged abuser, is now raising her child, seemingly with her blessing.

This is the same woman Liz allegedly stalked through the streets of Oxford, can we assume with S in that bloody buggy? The poor child listening to abuse hurled at the woman who months later would be her safe haven.

This is what MF’s GF is. The port in the storm for this poor child who seemingly has little relationship with her adult half-siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, anyone.

S is Repunzel in Liz’s Brother Mother Grimm tale. Now allowed to watch films and TV she might have started asking awkward questions of teachers and other adults.

The mother, Liz witch imprisoned Rapunzel/S in a tower, cut off her hair (she did infamously hack off S’s hair with kitchen scissors, anyone remember this? She was v proud of this) and deceived the prince family, court, police, public, Bloomsbury, BBC Woman’s Hour, feminist, NCDV, throat beards, the list goes on, because she wanted to maintain complete control over S.

She coveted Rapunzel's magical hair, the power, and feared losing that control if S interacted with the outside world. Thus, her actions were driven by a desire for power and possessiveness.

Like everything else, she’s now tired of this revenge project. S and M are the collateral damage of this one. Previously, her marriage, children x3, loyalty to women, Headcase, Edgeways, novels x 3 this year, prison talks….

We have read her like a book, which is why I’m so proud that the Cleaning Ladies, aided by the Tattlers, have stood strong. MN and NCDV should be ashamed. Both have enabled LF to keep her false dialogues going. Potentially putting S at risk. Women at risk.

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RhinoRhino · 23/12/2023 11:48

@Cambridgebunz Absolutely agree with you that organisations like MN and NCDV should be ashamed of enabling a false narrative to be peddled just to suit LF’s – often vitriolic - motives. If the lovely cleaning ladies can work it all out, then why can’t organisations whose raison d’etre is women’s issues and supporting women? It’s a bit pathetic on their part, tbh, and NCDV have certainly allowed themselves to be used in Liz's vendetta against M.

Also, it was interesting timing from the ghastly duo of flying monkeys where’swallyswoollysweaterandwinteruggboots who swooped in to try to silence the cleaners around October time. With their own brand of vitriolic nastiness. They managed to get that thread taken down - and Woollywallyugg promised to keep on closing down the threads, if I recall. Maybe they knew what was coming in Fraserland and didn’t want it out there that the stories of Saint Liz and her solo parenting weren’t going to withstand any scrutiny come Nov/Dec.

It was obvious the pair of flying monkeys are closely acquainted with Liz, know her in a personal capacity (possibly related) and they did their utmost to silence us prior to the apparent estrangement between mother and daughter. Whatever their motives, we didn’t shut up, and we won’t shut up unless we choose to.

Samsings · 23/12/2023 12:16

If you don't like it, change it until you do - but without hurting others.

Do you think she’s had an epiphany? Learned a lesson?

I'm off to a very different island now, with a different view of the world to the last time I was there, not so long ago.

No children mentioned. No lover mentioned. No family mentioned.

Life can do that if you're living it. Stronger. Ever stronger. Eyes always more open. Heart always full.

Blue skies, love, friends, words, water, peaceful miles to run along and good coffee are waiting for me.

Unlike here?

I can’t reveal who I am, for legal and confidentiality reasons, but let’s just say, I’ve been on the justice side of the children and families legal fence. Ms Fraser will not be minding my children or elderly parents or any vulnerable individuals, while I carry any clout. Ever.

themoleishere · 23/12/2023 12:49

has she entirely lost custody?

Evoke59 · 23/12/2023 13:04

You are so right. Why didn’t she jump on her Czech connections?

There is a connection missing in her emotional setup. I can’t put my finger on it. She appears disconnected from current events, always. She lacks awareness of societal issues and shows no interest in human concerns.

Her mindset is so traditionally, male-dominated values and so far from the feminist ideals I think she tried to follow. The Virginia Woolf puff, etc. She can’t advocate for all women while she can’t advocate for her own daughters.

GinnyWoolf · 23/12/2023 13:20

Ha, Virginia Woolf puts LF in the shade! In 1906 she went to Greece and travelled around by donkey. Plus she was a loving aunt and a loving wife, a loyal friend and a writer about a million more times gifted than most. I think LF shows many traits of narcissistic personality disorder, the classic cold disconnect and complete obsession with her own actions.

Barelybarefoot · 23/12/2023 13:25

Who doesn’t love an end of year round up?!

We have gone a full circle this year it seems. Back to her behaviour being consistent with traits associated with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). I caveat here that it’s important to emphasise that making a diagnosis based on limited information is not possible or ethical.

However, as a GP, who did rotation in a mental health facility 😉, she does relate to someone with NPD. Of course the following is only my opinion. It’s not medical or diagnostic fact. I’ve also revealed before, my children are at school with her daughter, so I take from firsthand experiences too:

1.	Lack of empathy -  can manifest as a disinterest in humanity and a lack of concern for others’ feelings or experiences.

2.	Self-centeredness - characterised by a heightened focus on one’s own needs and desires, which is evident in her disinterest in current events and societal issues. Yes, yes, her children, family and friends too 😜

3.	Traditional gender roles - adopting traditional gender roles and exhibiting patriarchal attitudes, as mentioned by xxxx, I was going to tag, but realised I’d use up my character count!, is not atypical. Heightened sexuality too. She tends to play both roles. “Little lady” and “Tough power monger.”

4.	Sense of entitlement - which may contribute to the perception of privilege mentioned often mentioned when talking about LF.

5.	Opposition to feminism - Individuals with NPD may resist or reject ideals that promote gender equality because they prefer a more hierarchical and self-centered worldview. 

Unsilencing women and feminism are no nos!

God rest ye merry gentleman of Venice, she’s on her way!

OffendedScot · 23/12/2023 13:27

I’ve dropped the publication a line to say I’m cancelling my subscription. I’m not paying to read anything that woman has written. As is concluded, she can’t be trusted and I’m not about to put my life at risk plunging into freezing waters because she says I’m weak if I don’t.

Barelybarefoot · 23/12/2023 13:30

Ha ha @GinnyWoolf, I should have tagged you!

Variedviews · 23/12/2023 13:50

@themoleisherevery unlikely she’s lost custody. This is not the intention of the family court. Mediation and resolution is.

It’s more likely she’s lost complete interest. It’s a lot of effort to co-parent. To do it well doesn’t set you free!

I suspect when S lost her value as a weapon, she lost all value to Liz. Praise the Lord M did fight for access to her for the right reasons. To love and cherish her, as he clearly does and his gf and her children do.

To have stopped M from seeing S would have taken some skullduggery. I imagine, M’s lawyers had to present some previously unknown or unspecified evidence to get to see his daughter. In doing this, Liz lost all credibility.

To start, she and her parents had the money and likely connections to paint M as the villain. To finish, time and quiet perseverance painted Liz as the villain.

From a tangled, toxic web, M comes out of this as the shining light and beacon of hope for S. I was one who thought he should be hung, drawn and quartered for “what he did to Liz.”

I then read Coming Clean, followed her socials and met some people who knew both of them and my opinions changed.

Thank the Lord he wasn’t put in prison. Served time for what she claims he did. Not seeing his daughter for two years must have been prison sentence enough.

M & S, I wish you the merriest Christmas and the happiest 2024.

Liz, karma bites hard.

Raffington55 · 23/12/2023 14:42

themoleishere · 23/12/2023 12:49

has she entirely lost custody?

No wonder she's 'made the decision' not to share about her family any more. She has destroyed it. No longer has one. She's left with running, and an addiction to herself.

RhinoRhino · 23/12/2023 15:58

@themoleishere You can tell from her socials that she is spending little, if any, time with her young daughter right now. It's a mystery as to why.

And while we're highlighting the gullible organisations who take her nonsense at face value and facilitate her spiteful games, I'd add: shame on anybody who may have facilitated her in keeping father and child apart for nigh on 2 years. Legal costs can be prohibitively expensive, and Liz has hardly worked in years. Wonder if there are some gullible eejits who were stupid enough to offer financial assistance for the long-drawn out vendetta.

I mean, you'd have to be spectacularly devoid of a moral compass to aid and abet one parent in alienating the other, and not prioritise the needs and wellbeing of the child.

Wouldn't you?

GinnyWoolf · 23/12/2023 17:08

I am looking back at the title of this excellent thread: 'Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?' And I have to say, no and also no, because she's not helping herself either, believe me. She might think that she is with all that bollocks about flying solo and following your creative muse, but actually in years to come she will be a sad, gaunt and lonely person who has alienated her family and won't be able to rely on her children to support her and visit her. However good it is that little S now has a secure family unit to belong to (and how lovely is M's girlfriend? And her Xmas message about other people's suffering couldn't be more different to LF's me-me-me), it's inevitable that S is going to ask 'where's Mummy? Why isn't Mummy here? When will I see Mummy?' because that's what little kids do. So very sad and pointless and also so very revealing about what really went on between her and M.

Tortiemiaw · 23/12/2023 18:00

So she'd rather 'live with the pain of loss' or some other twatty bollocks if it meant she could be completely selfish and do what she wants. How lovely- and contradictory.

There's clearly no pain of any loss if she can be shouting about how happy and excited she is to be sodding off TRAVELLING AND WRITING without a mention of her children.

It's very hard to imagine. Mine are adults now, but I still yearn for them at times, talk about them all the time, and am actually dreading next year when the final one leaves home.

Meanwhile, M's partner is brilliantly showing what's happening at their home.

OffendedScot · 23/12/2023 18:56

I just hope S is able to maintain/build a relationship with her siblings. If Liz is honest in saying her parents are away travelling more than they’re at home in Oxford, M will have to facilitate this. While adults, just, now, they were teenagers when Liz catapulted Mike in like a hand-grenade into their lives. What they must think of him.

Nice parenting Liz. You didn’t think this through either. Let’s not forget that less than a year ago she made out he’d shortened her life. If he had done who would have taken in S?

Hilsvision · 23/12/2023 19:04

If M and the GF had Christmas lunch today, perhaps S is going to Venice with her?

Shortbread49 · 23/12/2023 19:15

Maybe they are very organised my other half does home tutoring was in a house on Thursday that had all their table set up ready

WGACA · 23/12/2023 19:16

I think she’s going on her own. She says she wrote the start of a novel at the train station and chatted to (up?) a man who gave her encouragement neither of which she’d be able to do if Scout or the new man were there too presumably…

Umbrellaisback · 23/12/2023 19:36

Hilsvision · 23/12/2023 19:04

If M and the GF had Christmas lunch today, perhaps S is going to Venice with her?

I don’t think they did. I think it was just prepped for the day.

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