We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

Actually I can see that women might vote on this issue and it be logical

And I absolutely believe posters when they say it’s why

You work on a lot of assumptions, you could just ask me, you know? I don't have a Teflon life which means the difference between the Tories and say, a better run administration of a different ilk would be academic. I'm a frequent flyer in hospital wards nowadays and the whole landscape makes me nervous on several fronts.

So, yes, I could make a case where I could convince myself that Labour would swoop in, fix the nhs, be damned with the consequences for women's rights, democracy, freedom of speech, truthful data collection, the new world order of up is down and God help you if you say otherwise, - And who knows maybe I would if I thought that was a real option, I'm not a saint - but, honestly, I think the worst of both worlds is the most likely option.

The least bad will get my vote again. Any party that recognises terrorists for what they are and speaks out clearly. Fed up with corruption and snouts in troughs. Glad we helped the Unkraine when they needed and in quantity that allowed them to set the agressors back. We also need to reset the long march through the institutions.

The only thing that matters to most single issue voters is the single issue of the name of the party. No one could vote for the Tories based on the single issue of women's rights because they have been disastrous in that area.

In your view

However you get one vote to use

And that’s it. Other women get theirs

I think we're all aware of that.

Finally..

MN is a small, specific subset of the electorate.

The opinion polls are a far better indication of public opinion than any MN thread.

The Tories have inflicted terrible poverty on women and practically legalised rape.

I’ve seen remarks like this before and never quite certain what it means. What is it that the Tories have done that lead to rape being practically legalised? Hasn’t rape always had a shockingly low conviction rate?

I will still vote Labour this time (and I spolied my ballot last time, cos no way in Hell would I ever vote Tory - bunch of lying, cheating, self serving cunts)
My Labour MP is a total arsehole but even then, I will put my x by his name, while feeling dirty and nauseous.
I DO expect more from Labour, and I will make sure they know that every chance I get, but this election is too important to let the scumbags who have asset stripped our country get in again.
I don't actually mind Starmer. At least he has had a real job. By all accounts he is a total work horse, unlike Boris. He is intelligent, unlike pretty much everyone in the current cabinet.
He is just trying to get elected, and doesn't seem to understand that what the people are craving is definite, clear, bold policies on the economy, housing, health and yes, women's rights, so he film flams and seems shifty. I actually don't think he IS shifty.
I think on the genderism rubbish, the tipping point has been reached and it's out there, in the mainstream media. Too many stories of the horrors inflicted on children, the men in women's prisons etc. The general public know about it now, so whatever the nuttiest nutters in Labour think they are going to bring in, they won't get away with it.
If we get more of what we have been getting the country will be totally destroyed, and women and children will suffer the most, as they always do.

Conservatives won’t win - they have been in for 13 years and people are bored of them and they have made big mistakes like Brexit. New Labour was previously also in for 13 years and people got bored of them and their big mistake with Iraq.
However, there won’t actually be much change either way. Both parties have to face the same structural problems in the country and their own parties. So it isn’t worth getting worked up either way. Decentralisation and more power back locally is probably the best we can hope for from Labour.

I've been a life long Labour voter and also a party worker for many years. The only time I voted for a different party was for the Ecology party which will tell you how long I've voted Labour. I don't know how I'll vote next time.

So answer a question for me OP - when will the time be right to put women as a class first and centre (which implicitly recognises most of the "non" womens rights raised here)? Over the decades now I've listened to virtue signalling men and some women in Labour insisting that the time isn't right because there are higher priorities, women's protections will follow naturally from all (aka men's) rights being promoted. Its gone up and down - under the last Labour government there was a drive to equalise the party and its policies which was rapidly rolled back in the years after losing power by the same parts of the party who actively fought against equal pay. Including by the very people who now claim to "get it". My local CLP is totally TWAW, anyone questioning it is a bigot and long term WC party workers have been replaced by middle class wannabe lefties.

The women most at risk from the loss of women's sex based protections are not the middle class white women using identity politics as the perfect opportunity to virtue signalling about left wing without it costing them a penny.

Its the poorest, the weakest and the most vulnerable - the 30% of E2L and educationally disadvantaged women who don't respond to adverts for "cervix havers" but who will respond to "women's health clinics", the women, especially minority and working class women who share the cells, the women who lack the agency to fight when eg a conference to promote women in stem is invaded by white middle class entitled men claiming to be non binary and taking their places.

So when will the time be right OP? Because many of the issues you describe are a direct consequence of decades of talking about equality for women, for minorities and for WC opportunity without really implementing it.

This position is illogical as the Tories wish to reduce human rights. Last time I checked, women were humans. Women's rights will be shredded if human rights are shredded.

@Signalbox - actually the conviction is now worse than it was 20, 30, 40 years ago.

I wouldn't say it was legal, but the chance of conviction is now tiny.

Well, if you vote for the Tories while relying on the NHS, I can only wish you the best of luck.. genuinely. That isn't a decision that I can understand at all, but each to their own.

It is worse now. Conviction rates have halved for almost every type of crime since the Tories took over.

The cutting of every aspect of our crime services has been devastating.

The time it takes for a trial to start is dreadful for victims.

Yes, yes, but at least when women's rights are eroded by the Tories, we'll know that they are the rights of actual biological women that are being trashed. Surely that counts for something?

At least Starmer and Labour are planning on stamping out violence against women and girls. I wonder how he plans to achieve this? Hopefully there won’t be any rapes left to prosecute after he works his magic.

"We aren't going ahead with self-ID but we will make it easier to change the sex on your government paperwork and we support single sex spaces. WINK."

Agree. What does ‘support single sex spaces’ mean?

In law

They're going to ask nasty men to stop being so mean to girls. It's worked really well in London where, as a result of Sadiq Khan's MAAAATE campaign there are no more rapes, assaults or murders.

Stop pretending Labour's misogyny is just a single 'wedge' issue of self-ID. Sex work is work, Rotherham, Telford etc grooming scandals, Leeds Holbeck managed zone, Birmingham & Glasgow city council equal pay debacles, Nottingham council banning working class feminists. Self-ID is just one tentacle of the massive misogynist shitshow that is 2023 Labour.

That is a very good point.

Ha ha yes I’d forgotten about that. Perhaps they’ll roll that scheme out across the whole country. That’ll definitely do the trick.

Keir is going to fleece everyone…
Tories aren’t great by any means…but the lesser of two evils though!

It's interesting because a greater majority of female will be voting for Labour on current polling.

Are these women too stupid?