We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

Exactly I just don't want to pay more tax.

Surely taxes are high under the Conservatives?

Women have always been more likely to be left leaning. No, they're not stupid. Why would you suggest that?

Well, the reason I suggest it is that some posters are anxious to paint Labour as a hotbed of misogyny. Hence it must be that a foolish woman voted Labour and a clever woman votes Conservative if she is feminist. Does this hotbed of Labour misogyny actually exist?

I mean it's more honest really to say I will vote Conservative because I'm worried about tax or I want to get rid of the ECHR, but somehow I don't think we will get that truth.

Perhaps it's because women in general A) Remember what Labour achieved for women when they were last in power B) evaluate what the Conservatives have achieved for women during their current time in power and C) review a wide range of issues before making their decision rather than vote on a single issue.

Thank you! Someone remembers that Labour do good things for women.

We don't all get excited by Badenoch and Cates

@bombastix in an earlier post @FKATondelayo outlined a few highlights of the misogyny within the Labour party. Women that agree with her aren't faced with a binary choice between Labour or Cons. The Labour party being misogynist doesn't preclude the Conservative party also being so.

So you don't want to help national services and those in need?

@fedupandstuck - couldn't agree more. The idea that the Conservatives don't have their own set of porn hounds or abusers of women in their ranks wouldn't even survive a brief Google.

Again centre left posters going on about their ‘truth’ for other women.

Helloooo there Eastern Standard

But why are you being so tribal over this?

This issue should transcend party politics. If it were an issue concerning men's fundamental rights it would.

I'm between a rock and a hard place politically speaking.

Issues that have affected me in recent years are education and mental health and disability diagnostic services, on paper it's an easy win for Labour.

BUT my daughter is autistic and gender non - conforming, why would I want a government that appears supportive of gender identity in charge in those circumstances, she also is talented in a sport. So she's potentially screwed by Labour 3 ways.

• More likely to be encouraged that she is a boy by schools/ mental health services.
• More likely to go on to body modification at some point in the future.
• Could well loose a place in sporting teams and competition if a male who identifies as female rocks up.

Look at Canada which is the 'leading light' in gender politics. In Canada parents have lost parental rights if they have expressed concern over their child's gender identity and the impacts that might have on their child.

No thank you. This is not just about women's single sex provisions , it's about protecting our children from harm.

Labour need to do better.

Eh? There’s a few posters who do as you do

It’s pretty standard but wrong

I already pay enough thanks as a higher rate tax payer.

I don't have kids so I'm not using the schools etc.

I don't want to pay more. I don't believe anyone on here would be happy With hugely increased taxes.

@lifeturnsonadime - got it. I think they should do better, because I am not happy either. But I've seen their policy unwind slowly over the last six months to a point where you cannot even definitively say they are pro self ID. You can suspect so of course.

The people who need to be driven into the sea are the doctors, charities, support workers, and many many professionals who benefitted from this crap for the last decade. All of them inflicting harm on children and women. Either by negligence or design. They have got to go.

right, but it would be very easy for them to be unequivocal about this.

They are led by a talented barrister. He knows he can say that women are adult human females but still include males in that definition (due to the GRC) to try to appease people, without lying.

He needs to do more than that for many women now.

The fact that he doesn't do more or publicly support Rosie Duffield or publicly disagree when Lisa Nandy said that rapists who identify as trans should be in women's prisons, or call out David Lammy when he called concerned women 'rights hoarding dinosaurs' speaks volumes.

When has he said he supports the findings of the Cass review (which I was talking about in my past post)?

These are all issues that are important to many women for many reasons.

It doesn't necessarily mean we are Tories or are just looking for reasons to vote conservative. I'm not. I'm desperately hoping (increasingly I think in vain) for Labour to allow me to give them my vote.

We're in the same tax band then.
I absolutely think higher rate tax payers should pay more, (circa £50 more per month) to help national services and those less fortunate.
And there you see the difference between a Tory voter (all about self) and those who vote for other parties

The people who need to be driven into the sea are the doctors, charities, support workers, and many many professionals who benefitted from this crap for the last decade. All of them inflicting harm on children and women. Either by negligence or design. They have got to go.

And on this point, it is challenging I think.

A specific inquiry should be held into how Stonewall (a lobby group) was able to infiltrate the civil service so that bodies like the NHS and schools were led to believe that gender takes precedence. They were literally allowed to misrepresent the law.

There are a couple of individuals who ought to be held personally accountable for certain thinks. A woman with the initials HW being one of them.

@lifeturnsonadime - I hope they get a spine. But truthfully I think they will win.

I would Labour to institute an inquiry into what happened in schools and the medical treatment of children, and the role of charities influencing public services, including the police.

A lot has gone wrong, and a lot has gone on under this government. I hope it ends with them.

Labour of rights hoarding dinosaurs claim

Self ID up to this year until looking dodgy via Sturgeon

Unions / TRAs on same side

Starmer defend the EqA

I’m not sure what people are expecting. When it’s this obvious why people won’t believe their clear stance

Labour / Drakeford misogyny and Scottish Labour whip on GRR

Starmer ‘no one is talking about it’

I’m sure they’re pro woman really. Not

I think Labour will win too.

In so far as what they will do when they win, well Labour are under the thumb of the trans lobbyists and in the ear of the US Democratic party.

They are not making any specific pre-election promises which make me think they will do anything other than follow the gender ideology route.

There will be no inquiry under Labour as to past harms because they don't care.

Lisa Nandy has not, as far as I know, retracted her position which is that a rapist who identifies as a trans woman should be in a women's prison.

David Lammy has not apologised for calling women 'rights hoarding dinosaurs'.

Rosie Duffield is still an outcast.

I genuinely believe NOW is the time for Labour supporters to be putting the Labour party to task on this issue not after the election.

I live in a Tory stronghold so my vote doesn't make a difference but it enrages me that people think this is an insignificant issue. Women's rights underpin everything in a democratic society. How dare the Labour party not respect that?

@lifeturnsonadime - couldn't agree more and have said so in the past. LGB Alliance are doing just that. That is the way you ensure these exploitative people who have been making a nice living out of transgenderism for children cease to have influence by being regulated out of existence.

I would hope for an inquiry - there are some big questions in charities in schools and their guidance. These are issues that will have affected many children.

@lifeturnsonadime you make some very good points, however, what are the Tories doing that is any better?

They say 'GI' in the same way that they say 'small boats' but do absolutely NOTHING to help or solve the issues. They are using as a faux feminist hoax.

They have done NOTHING to help women's rights in 13 years. Why would you trust the Tories over other parties on women's rights?

It doesn't matter what the Tories will or won't do.

If as a woman you are voting for the next government to be Labour it is what they are going to do about this that matters. You should be voting for what the party you are voting will do.

But in so far as gender and women's rights are concerned and off the top of my head :

The Conservative Party have had 3 female Prime Ministers the Labour Party have never even had a female leader.

The Tory party were active in blocking the SNP from introducing Self ID in Scotland.

The Cass review was commissioned by NHS England under a Conservative Government.

The Government have indicated they will follow its findings.

So no, I'm not a Tory voter but saying they have done NOTHING for women is simply false.