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MentholLoad · 2023-10-09T11:51:05+00:00

following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼♀️

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/10/2023 16:19

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:10

Not really.

It’s only your perspective as a Labour supporter and likely not correct.

By all means muse on your own voting and I’m sure people won’t think as much on why you are voting as you do

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Firstly, I would not describe myself as a "Labour supporter". I am ambivalent about the Labour Party at best.

I feel politically homeless in reality, but will vote for whichever left of centre party is most likely to get the Tories out. In my current constituency, that happens to be Labour but I would vote differently if another party had a better chance of kicking the Tories out.

I don't really care if other people think about why I vote as I do, it makes no difference to me. And of course my perspective is only my perspective, but so what? I'm entitled to believe that some people are using this issue disingenuously to justify their decision to vote Tory, and to think that anyone who really cared about women's rights would not touch the Tory party with a bargepole.

Bollindger · 09/10/2023 16:19

I keep saying the same thing.
Labour need to go big or go home.
Unless they make a big splash, floating voters just vote Tory as Labour give them nothing to hang on to.
This always happens in times of financial crisis. Labour need to make people trust that it is time to change and they are trustworthy. However right now there is no pot of money allowing Labour to splash the cash, so GC is an issue that they are failing to own, so this will cost them.

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:20

No we won't. The polls indicate a huge majority for the Labour Party. Women are more pro Labour than men.

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MentholLoad · 09/10/2023 16:20

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:20

No we won't. The polls indicate a huge majority for the Labour Party. Women are more pro Labour than men.

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lifeturnsonadime · 09/10/2023 16:21

Purplefoxes · 09/10/2023 15:08

Can anyone actually articulate what it is that they don't like about Starmer? Is it literally just the way he looks?! What is it that people have against him I'm genuinely intrigued? I've grilled someone on this before in my family and best they could say was he "looks a bit shifty". Erm helloooo Boris people? And anyway you do realise its not just a single person you vote for...it's a party and their policies. If the only reason to vote for a political party is on the leaders physical appearance or charisma then we are definitely in big trouble as a country!

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Nothing to do with what he looks like or how he speaks.

For me it is his lawyer speak on the issue of gender in particular. He can sound like he is saying he knows what a woman and that only women should be in particular places, but this depends on the definition of woman. He knows, as a lawyer, that some males are legally women thanks to the Gender Recognition Act and he, like the majority of the Western World has lost his mind on identity.

And the way that he has refused to back Rosie Duffield and allowed her to be bullied.

He could do so much better. He knows the legal issues but still is under the thumb of the lobbyists whose agenda is to put women firmly back in our place (subordinate to men and their wishes) .

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/10/2023 16:23

There isn't anymore money. The Tories spunked it all on shit like Brexit and Trusterfuck economics. The next government will have to negotiate to get better interest rates and free up money for investment.

There is zero chance of that happening if the Tories get in again. A vote for the Conservatives is a vote for continuing economic decline.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/10/2023 16:23

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/10/2023 15:39

For me, the 'what is a woman' question speaks to a lot more than just women's rights.

Serving the demands of their Party, their dogma, their activists - putting all those before the interests of their constituents. Do they actually believe a man is a woman? I doubt it - but their young activist Special Advisers / Researchers have told them that this will play well to the public, get them the youth vote, yadda yadda yadda - and they are so without a moral compass that they will parrot the approved Party line. So without independent thought that they will mouth illogical inanities.

Is that the sort of person that I want to have ANY power? No, it is not!

So it doesn't matter what they say about anything else - education, industry, migration, etc. They are proven liars. They will sway in whatever direction lobbyists blow them in. They will ALWAYS tug their forelock to the vested interest and trot along contentedly, never thinking beyond ehat is being spoonfed to them. Whatever claims they make, whatever promises they make, their first instinct is to lie, lie, and lie again.

So no, I will not be voting for such politicians. And I don't care what colour their rosettes are, because that's probably another lie.

Totally agree.

Valerianandfoxglovesoup · 09/10/2023 16:24

I was going to vote for them until I heard Rishi on radio 2 today. 1 minute in and I would rather vote for, well, anyone

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:24

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/10/2023 16:19

Firstly, I would not describe myself as a "Labour supporter". I am ambivalent about the Labour Party at best.

I feel politically homeless in reality, but will vote for whichever left of centre party is most likely to get the Tories out. In my current constituency, that happens to be Labour but I would vote differently if another party had a better chance of kicking the Tories out.

I don't really care if other people think about why I vote as I do, it makes no difference to me. And of course my perspective is only my perspective, but so what? I'm entitled to believe that some people are using this issue disingenuously to justify their decision to vote Tory, and to think that anyone who really cared about women's rights would not touch the Tory party with a bargepole.

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Vote for whomever you wish.

When women say they’ll vote a certain way due to an opinion issue they feel strongly about I believe them

I find it arrogant that people think they know more about another woman’s thoughts. I mean they clearly don’t.

It does seem to be a condition of the centre left though that keeps cropping up.

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:25

Vote Tory get UKIP!

It is now the same party.

AGAbaker · 09/10/2023 16:25

Both parties are much of the same. Conservatives have come so far over to the left it's hard to differentiate.

I dislike how gutless both parties are but the thought of a government led by Starmer makes me favour conservative win, yes.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/10/2023 16:26

tasslesated · 09/10/2023 15:45

Does nobody take into account how the incumbent party has performed over the past 13 years?

No one?

Yes.

But the fact is that the opposition has to do better.

For many naturally left leaning women they are not.

Labour should be asking itself why that is, not blaming the Tories for it's own failures.

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:27

Valerianandfoxglovesoup · 09/10/2023 16:24

I was going to vote for them until I heard Rishi on radio 2 today. 1 minute in and I would rather vote for, well, anyone

I feel like that for Labour speakers

I have to switch channel they are so bad to listen to

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:28

Scuse me but I think big differences.

When I see Keir Starmer doing the twist with Nigel Farage then I will think differently

lifeturnsonadime · 09/10/2023 16:30

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:20

No we won't. The polls indicate a huge majority for the Labour Party. Women are more pro Labour than men.

Which makes the Labour party even more the shitty for not caring about our rights.

bombastix · 09/10/2023 16:32

Not sure what you can do, should you not vote Labour on this issue? Every woman's choice.

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/10/2023 16:35

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:24

Vote for whomever you wish.

When women say they’ll vote a certain way due to an opinion issue they feel strongly about I believe them

I find it arrogant that people think they know more about another woman’s thoughts. I mean they clearly don’t.

It does seem to be a condition of the centre left though that keeps cropping up.

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There is similar arrogance from Toryists who think that anyone who opposes the government is a Labour supporter.

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:41

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/10/2023 16:35

There is similar arrogance from Toryists who think that anyone who opposes the government is a Labour supporter.

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Not really. I don’t care who you support.

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:42

Vote for whomever you wish

Have your own reasons

Let other women determine theirs

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/10/2023 16:46

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:24

Vote for whomever you wish.

When women say they’ll vote a certain way due to an opinion issue they feel strongly about I believe them

I find it arrogant that people think they know more about another woman’s thoughts. I mean they clearly don’t.

It does seem to be a condition of the centre left though that keeps cropping up.

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Fair enough. You think it's arrogant to make assumptions. I think that certain things are just self evident.

Perhaps you're right that some women do genuinely think that they are voting for women's rights when they cast their votes for the Tories. I tend to credit people with having enough basic critical thinking skills to be able to see past the rhetoric and look at the Tories' actual record in government, but perhaps I'm overestimating.

Pipsquiggle · 09/10/2023 16:50

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/10/2023 16:46

Fair enough. You think it's arrogant to make assumptions. I think that certain things are just self evident.

Perhaps you're right that some women do genuinely think that they are voting for women's rights when they cast their votes for the Tories. I tend to credit people with having enough basic critical thinking skills to be able to see past the rhetoric and look at the Tories' actual record in government, but perhaps I'm overestimating.

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@MrsBennetsPoorNerves you only need to look at Brexit to know that loads of people don't have basic critical thinking skills and absolutely believe the rhetoric.

I've said it above, the only things the tories care about are power and money. That's it. They definitely don't care about women and other vast swathes of the population

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:51

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/10/2023 16:46

Fair enough. You think it's arrogant to make assumptions. I think that certain things are just self evident.

Perhaps you're right that some women do genuinely think that they are voting for women's rights when they cast their votes for the Tories. I tend to credit people with having enough basic critical thinking skills to be able to see past the rhetoric and look at the Tories' actual record in government, but perhaps I'm overestimating.

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No you’re not overestimating. Just over inflating your thinking.

You might vote differently and I probably disagree with your conclusions but I still accept you believe in your reasons.

I’ve noticed this tendency on here from a few posters, to the centre left

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:55

Pipsquiggle · 09/10/2023 16:50

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves you only need to look at Brexit to know that loads of people don't have basic critical thinking skills and absolutely believe the rhetoric.

I've said it above, the only things the tories care about are power and money. That's it. They definitely don't care about women and other vast swathes of the population

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This sense of superiority probably helped lose Brexit tbh

lifeturnsonadime · 09/10/2023 16:55

Pipsquiggle · 09/10/2023 16:50

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves you only need to look at Brexit to know that loads of people don't have basic critical thinking skills and absolutely believe the rhetoric.

I've said it above, the only things the tories care about are power and money. That's it. They definitely don't care about women and other vast swathes of the population

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Right, I agree with this but tell me why I shouldn't want more from Labour?

I feel so let down by Labour on this issue, I don't feel that THEY deserve my vote.

HotApplePiePunch · 09/10/2023 17:02

EasternStandard · 09/10/2023 16:27

I feel like that for Labour speakers

I have to switch channel they are so bad to listen to

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I don't know if it's my age or a sign or the times but all the pollical parties seem to have a dearth of talent at the moment.

Plus interview styles for political interviews don't seem to be helping make them any easier to listen to but can't work out if that because they are trying to polish a turd or if it's a change in style as well. Political journalist themselves analysing are still okay to watch/listen to.