We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

You all realise that, unless you live in a marginal seat, no parties are going to be that interested in you

@Floisme

Yes, why?

Women’s rights are important to me. I have not yet determined how I will vote but I make no apologies for voting based on my feminist principles

I do...they have performed extremely extremely poorly. If I could be so crap as this in my job for 13 years and still get rewarded for it well ..my employers would be idiots!

What was the first thing I said?
That I don't intend to vote Conservative.
I am bending over backwards to give Labour the benefit of the doubt so if you're looking for someone to blame, go and harangue them.

Slightly disingenuous. You know Wallis identifies as trans and is the "first transgender MP" despite not having changed name, appearance or pronouns.

Only came out after he was arrested for fleeing the scene of an accident.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/11/tory-mp-jamie-wallis-banned-driving-failing-stop-crash

Honestly, I believe that most of the people who say that they will vote Tory because of the GC issue probably would have voted Tory anyway. It's just a way of trying to legitimise/justify their right wing views. The idea that the Tories actually give a shit about the rights of women is clearly for the birds.

I do believe that some GC folk on the left may choose to abstain because they feel politically homeless. I understand that and share it to some extent, but I do think that the Labour Party are beginning to show glimmers of common sense on this issue (finally!) and I care too much about the bigger picture of what's going on in our society to abstain on the basis of one single issue.

For all of the Tory rhetoric, the erosion of women's rights thus far has happened on their watch. Let us not forget that.

If you think we have had many upheavals in the last decade.

Brexit.
Covid.
All the court cases for Remain to get their own way.
The constant changing of PMs.
Cornbyn got the students backing him, and he was an Amazing figurehead, forget if you liked him or not.
Stammer and Sunak are now like boats just floating along. God knows who will win.

Absolutely agree with everything you said@Pipsquiggle apart from the bit about voting liberal. It is all more diversionary debate. Pick an issue they think will be a winner and pretend to care. But it's just word salad. Meaningless drivel to gain votes. Money is all that they really care about. Power is needed to get the money!

I can't vote Labour, Starmer is not a credible PM. If he lies about some women having penises he's simply not fit to be in charge.

Desperately need a good alternative and can't see one.

Yes, I am aware of that. I just don't see why, given that there are both men and women on that committee, why he wouldn't have a place to speak - so long as he wasn't pulling that, 'speaking as a women' shit and the general undeserved fawning which typically accompanies it.

Yes I can't believe many of the "Tory is the only viable option" people ever had any intention of voting differently, this just gives them a slightly less unpleasant reason for doing so than usual.

All I'm saying is that, in and of itself, it doesn't present the same ideological double think as say, dumping men on women only shortlists.

I see this a lot on here from Labour supporters

I don’t think you will know more than the actual women voting

I will never vote Tory. Kids going hungry trumps everything else.

I agree.

I live in a Tory heartland constituency, Labour have no chance here, hence I will vote Lib Dem.

I do wish Labour / Lib Dems / Greens would endorse tactical voting. I also wish for electoral reform.

God I hope not.

It’s quite arrogant tbh

I think you will find the younger teens of today are not as woke as the late teens and early twenties.
The 23 to 27 are beginning to find while they voice their wokenesss, in private they shake their heads but are SCARED to rock the boat, as it will effect their employment.
27 to 40 are having children and now finding their chickens are coming home to roost, and risk the loss of a child if they open their mouths.
40 and over means liberals are full on woke. Lots of others are shaking their head at the Emperor's New Clothing story...

Perhaps not, but if someone is able to persuade themselves that voting Tory is justified on the basis of this issue alone, then it does tell you quite a lot about what else they don't consider to be important. And it's perfectly reasonable to draw conclusions from that.

People will vote Tory because they have short memories. Teresa May and self ID for example, that one's been conveniently buried and I don't see anyone on MN beating their chests and frothing at the mouth about it. The right wing press has also created mass hysteria around trans rights which is a cracking way to deflect from the in your face fact that the country is spiralling down the pan. I hate to be the one to break it to everyone but the country isn't going to hell in a hand cart because a tiny minority of men want to be women. The Tories don't give a shit about women, children or social justice. Just read up on their unsavoury and elitist history.

Not really.

It’s only your perspective as a Labour supporter and likely not correct.

By all means muse on your own voting and I’m sure people won’t think as much on why you are voting as you do

This.

if Labour had ideas and gave hope I might might consider voting for them. But they’ve already said there’s no money, and I don’t want to live in any more of a kafkaesque nightmare that we already have.