We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

The trans issue really isn't the big vote decider people on here think it is. Feeding your family and having a home and free healthcare.....more so.

Oh and Baroness Nicholson (Conservative Peer) is instrumental in her actions for NHS hospitals to have clear language for women and to have single SEX (not gender wards) and for schools to have clear policies which respect the SEX of the children.

She has also written letters on the topic of prisons, women's sports etc.

Only about 0.01% would actually care about all your transphobic obsession stuff....most people have actual every day issues to deal with!

You should always vote, they are so so not all the same!! Read up on it, it's so important.

I actually respect this as it is a much more honest answer than many that you see on these threads.

I don't agree with it a)because I think it's selfish and b)because I think it's incredibly shortsighted, but it is at least honest, transparent and self aware. I have far more respect for people who can openly admit that they just don't like the idea of contributing to wider society through their taxes than those who try to find noble justifications for voting Tory that don't really stack up. Much better to just tell it as it is!

That matters more than the NHS and schools, really?

Are people still going with this…

Posters find Labour misogynistic and anti-women

Some can’t accept it for bizarre reason so it’s not ‘honest’

I mean bog off really.

@Garlickmayo -either you are a satirical poster or unfamiliar with Tory thinking which begins and ends with "how do I keep hold of my money".

I can accept that people might consider the Labour Party to be misogynistic and anti-women. To some extent, I agree.

I'm just baffled that anyone would think that the Tories were any less misogynistic and anti-women.

That's why I think people are being dishonest when they cite misogyny in the Labour Party as a reason for voting Tory. It makes no sense.

When WASPI women protested at the HoC, Labour MPs stood up & applauded them.

So what are Labour going to do for WASPI women?

The NHS & schools are pretty much staffed by women so, yes. Women and girls need Safe Spaces at school and at work. Female patients need Safe Spaces as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10789291/NHS-hospitals-spent-800-000-building-nearly-740-gender-neutral-toilets-past-four-years.html

And schools should stop teaching kids all this gender-bending bollocks.

A far bigger problem is anti-Semitism and racism within some parts of the Labour Party.

The Forde Report released 19th July 2022 revealed that there was a "hierarchy of racism" in the party which ignored Black and Asian people.

Look it up.

We need to stop wasting money! End of.

I think labour adding VAT on school fees is an absolute disgrace. These parents are still paying tax and voluntarily making their local school class sizes smaller. There is no doubt it’ll push families out of the private school setting and put even more pressure on the floundering state sector.

@ChevyCamaro "I don't actually mind Starmer. At least he has had a real job. By all accounts he is a total work horse, unlike Boris. He is intelligent, unlike pretty much everyone in the current cabinet.
He is just trying to get elected, and doesn't seem to understand that what the people are craving is definite, clear, bold policies on the economy, housing, health and yes, women's rights, so he film flams and seems shifty"

That's because he IS shifty.

Labour is breaking the record for u-turns and can't be relied on to stick with anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/04/u-turns-labour-keir-starmer-tuition-fees-income-tax

I’m a life long Labour voter and I will not vote Tory both because of Thatcher’s leadership and the recent administration’s. However I won’t vote for an MP who won’t unequivocally say they are prepared to support the rights of women as a sex class, so I’m likely to spoil my ballot at the next election.

I agree that Labour at the moment will be better for most women in the short term, but I won’t vote for the destruction of rights that are fundamental to my personal long term well being. If gender is allowed to replace sex in anti-discrimination legislation it will be a long, long way back for women.

The polls are soft - I don't think it will be as hefty a landslide as it looks now. But also I don't think they're THAT soft.

Yes there are single issue voters on this issue, on both sides. Not very many of them, but some. But I also think that over the past 3 years this has become part of the political word cloud (for want if a better word) in that more people are aware of something to do with it. The recent Labour shift suggests that they have learned something from their spokespeople being put on the spot by interviewers; that it may or may not be an election-winning issue on the facts either way, but that trying to articulate the basis of gender trumping sex to a raw TV/media audience makes you look like an idiot, and people don't want to vote for idiots even if they don't really care about the specifics.

It's easy after a few years forehead-deep in this issue to forget JUST how weird either side sounds when they get going on talking about it, to the noninitiated. Which is why I'm very careful when and where I talk about it. Ranting about the political misuse of people with VSDs is very minority-interest (which doesn't mean i think it's unimportant). Saying that I as a very ordinary mum know 5 teenagers who I knew as girls all say they are boys in the past 3 years makes people wonder whats going on.

Anyway, I'm voting to get the Tories out. On this issue that does mean hoping for the best. But I believe this issue is a social/cultural issue driven heavily by the Internet on a background of appalling mental health provision. It's not really left/right to me.

Loads of posters say why

If anyone spends time on FWR it’s all there

good post @PermanentTemporary

I also respect the honesty of this answer

Why do you think women are being honest are taxes but not about their rights?

this all happened under the Tories

So Labour / left pretty much is

Taxes - oh yeh I thought so

My rights - yeh you’re lying, dishonest, covering up

It’s a politically motivated response because they know the left is weaker on women’s rights.

I have read loads of these threads. I am yet to see a convincing argument that says out in concrete terms why people believe that the Tories will actually advance women's rights. I accept that people welcome the Tory rhetoric on this issue, and I understand that it's refreshing to have basic biology acknowledged, but I believe that actions speak louder than words, and I just don't see any real substance to back the rhetoric up.

Labour are worse on the issue so women might choose to vote to avoid that

I also am looking for legislative change which is progressing atm