Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuse: The Times/Sunday Times story

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d4d93e74-5478-11ee-bc18-cbdd58145dc6?shareToken=b3cd34ae6268daad4741e6c092ceac97

“I don't and will not, support trial by media because I think it's dangerous and could happen to anyone. Innocent or guilty.”

^Is part of the reason for having a “free” media so that they can investigate and hold people in power to account. I don’t believe that they do that particularly well. However if someone with a lot of money and influence, who is clear they will take legal action against people, is doing wrong maybe people don’t feel they can go to the police. I suppose the journalist gather testimony from a wide range of women so they have a rock solid evidence and would find it easier to take him on than individual women going to the police/

People equating sex addiction with ' wanting a lot of sex" are dim.

Promiscuity or even wanting a lot of sex is different from the utter entitlement that sex addicts have for sex.
I don't know why the dots are so hard to join between a man having sex at any cost and him being a sex offender. Being a sex addict nullifies the act of sex being about more than the needs of the sex addict who is having sex, doesn't it?
That's completely different from being a Happy Slut( of any sex).

I worry about this too.

I think (not watched the programme but have read the article) that most/all the women had previously had consensual sexual relationships with Brand which would make the prospect of a criminal prosecution even slimmer.

There are many, many sex addicts in the world who don't rape women.

The saville link is interesting because they both have a similar way of responding to interviews now i think about it. A slightly odd, deliberately confusing florid answer that isnt really an answer and usually if pressed, some kind of 'cheeky stunt' to distract. I can see brand hiding behind his spirituality as JS his behind charity work too.

Yuck.

It’s so disturbing to listen to, but as others have said, how will he ever go to trial now? Juries are instructed not to read media reports when a trial is taking place for fear of prejudice, and this is all out in public domain.

Lest not forget this man has a HUGE sobriety audience.

So the one thing he got in trouble for/lost work because of was telling a man he’d slept with his granddaughter. Not actual rape.

Pretty much says everything about the world.

There was a lot of "it's just their word against his" during the Savile years too.

As there is in every rape case.

If only a newspaper and investigative TV programme had been able to do this regarding Savile.

Exactly. He lost his job for upsetting a man that he'd defiled one of his possessions

Aye. He crossed a line when he upset a man.

Meanwhile, all those poor women and girls ...

Funnily enough, there was a Reddit post from 7 months ago saying that the reason Brand had done a political shift and started courting the right was because he wanted support when the allegations started coming out.

Kind of surprised at "Why didn't they go to the police?", or "Why haven't the police done anything?" comments. Ian Watkins (former singer of thelostprophets, paedophile) was reported to the police multiple times for his inclinations by his ex, over four years, and they did... nothing.

They accused his ex of being a bitter ex targeting a famous man. They then charged her with possessing child abuse images, which she'd been gathering as evidence to try and get the police to believe her. She was eventually cleared, and he plead guilty to the attempted rape of a baby. But everyone knew his reputation, there were loads of posts on music boards about how young female fans should be kept away from him, as he liked to invite 13/14 year olds backstage to abuse them.

So yeah, I'm entirely unsurprised by the lack of police involvement.

Yes.

I'm worried about the possible response - bearing in mind the horrific circus built around Johnny Depp.

I hope all of the women and girls who spoke to the press are okay, and have lots of support around them.

I doubt there are many sex addicts who are massively powerful and famous, feted for being drug and sex addicts, still given prime time space - who don’t utterly abuse that position by raping and abusing women.

How can this surprise anyone? Brand was very open about who he was!

I'm assuming those defending Russell Brand are rapists themselves to be honest.

I don't know why you'd side with a rapist otherwise.

Imagine if your H was accused of something and was possibly innocent, possibly guilty - but had been named and shamed in all your local papers and Facebook groups before any trial. The chances of a fair trial would be nil

The chances of a fair trial are nil. Because even with admissions, videos and evidence, men get off. And thick idiots say, "they were found innocent, she must have been lying". No they bloody weren't. They were found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And a reasonable doubt in rape cases appears to be solely because a man says he didn't do it, or didn't mean to do it, or know that failing to get consent is rape, or her being unconscious isn't consent, or thinking that her saying no was a fun game, or knowing that women are actually supposed to enjoy sex, or she was wearing a thong, or he tripped and fell over into her vagina.

Exactly this, the chance of him going to prison for these crimes are pretty slim. However his career is pretty much over. That is the punishment.

His career, such as it is, definitely isn’t over. He already paints himself as a renegade “outsider”. This just feeds into that. Without a conviction he’ll keep posting videos.

People are so thick they actually see these allegations as justification of his guru status. Men can literally do no wrong.

Completely agree with all of this.

The other problem with convicting a man for rape is that in the vast majority of cases it comes down to “woman says sex wasn’t consensual; man says it was”. And I think we all know who is more likely to be believed by a jury or in court - it isn’t the woman, is it? So rapists get away with it.

It does up the ante for proclivity though?

Unfortunate typo under the circumstances

I think rape is both. Saying that it isn't about sex, it's about power is a lie.

Rapist motivations are not all the say.