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userxchhrfok · 2023-08-24T14:31:05+00:00

Name changed as I've commented Why do women not see the issue with people renting wombs? https://www.instagram.com/p/CwNiYZLNtIK/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

NotMadeOfStone · 29/08/2023 16:33

Jellycats4life · 29/08/2023 16:30

So I take it the two men just happen to have the same surname? Double barrelling the same fucking surname? Are they out of their minds?

Also, that blind item does sound like it was them…

This alone should preclude them from parenthood.

Still, they now have more surnames than brain cells between them, so that's nice.

aylis · 29/08/2023 16:37

Are those the cheap places for eggs I take it?

mikado1 · 29/08/2023 16:40

What is the point about seeing their surrogates face?!

I don't think likening surrogacy to rape is useful in getting across the view of surrogacy as problematic.

Dabralor · 29/08/2023 16:40

@Jellycats4life what blind item was that now? Sorry am so nosey 👀

SandyThumb · 29/08/2023 16:41

The one on the right doesn't look too enamoured .
I predict these poor babies will be farmed out to a nanny once these boys realise that babies and celebrity insta livestyles don't mix...

PoliticallyIncorrectHitchling · 29/08/2023 16:41

Spirallingdownwards · 29/08/2023 15:41

I think Ollie and Gareth will be terrific parents. Bex their surrogate has been and apparently will be continued to be included in their lives. I think its pretty nasty of people who can't see that she has done a wonderful thing for a gay couple who will love, care and provide for their children.

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Its legalising selling of babies

redrighthand83 · 29/08/2023 16:47

Yet another thread on surrogacy. For all those so vehemently against it, is anyone actually trying to put measures in place? Or are we doomed to have weekly threads on it until the end of time?

TheYadaYada · 29/08/2023 16:47

I knew this was going to be about those Locke-Locke blokes.

What I find alarming is now how common this is, as how it’s been completely normalised.

ElaineTurnsAPage · 29/08/2023 16:47

What evidence is there that they will be great parents?

Theyre hawking them all over the media right now as if they’re commodities, rather than preemies. So people can draw their own conclusions on whether they’ll be dads of the year or not.

Just sometimes surrogacy is the icing on the cake of a fairy tale.

a surrogate baby at 55? A fairy tale? Just what every kid dreams about.

BiggerBoat1 · 29/08/2023 16:49

Why so nasty?
The woman who acted as a surrogate had the right to make that choice. She presumably did so as an act of kindness and love. They are obviously incredibly grateful to her and delighted with their babies. Struggling to see the problem here.

MrsColinRobinson · 29/08/2023 16:51

Don't be so bloody naive and do some research.

Babies shouldn't be marketed.

Sux2buthen · 29/08/2023 16:52

Spirallingdownwards · 29/08/2023 15:41

I think Ollie and Gareth will be terrific parents. Bex their surrogate has been and apparently will be continued to be included in their lives. I think its pretty nasty of people who can't see that she has done a wonderful thing for a gay couple who will love, care and provide for their children.

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Agree. This site gets worse

uhOhOP · 29/08/2023 16:54

They look like a couple of immature youngsters with more money and fame than sense who just wanted an accessory or two for their lifestyle. The blond one looks as though he's about ready to hand the baby back to the nanny as soon as the pictures are taken.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 29/08/2023 16:55

Dabralor · 29/08/2023 16:40

@Jellycats4life what blind item was that now? Sorry am so nosey 👀

The couple who wanted two extremely vulnerable, delicate babies to be disconnected from all the equipment in Neonatal Intensive Care, so that the babies could be transported to a different hospital in a more convenient location.

But it can't possibly be- surely this pair can afford to rent an airbnb near the hospital where the babies were born?

Whichwhatnow · 29/08/2023 16:56

BubziOwl · 29/08/2023 16:17

People talk about women’s choice when it comes to babies and being pregnant and this woman made a choice about what she wanted to do with her own body.

Not all brands of feminism are concerned with choice and liberalism above all else.

It's not just about the mother, it's about the baby too. Deliberately separating a mother from their baby is usually a last resort.

The baby always seems to get forgotten in this. Don't get me wrong, I have major issues with using women's body as a commodity. But any time I read a story like this I just think of my DH. He was adopted at birth, no addiction issues or anything. Lovely middle class loving adoptive parents. And to you know what? He is completely screwed up. Covered in self harm scars, suicide attempts, so many abandonment and attachment issues. His bio parents were just completely normal young adults who didn't feel ready, by all accounts his childhood was idyllic. I really think it was the adoption and separation from his birth mum as a tiny baby that messed him up.

And yes of course I know that adoption doesn't screw up all kids. but why would you take that risk? It's just completely selfish in my opinion to deliberately set out to create a baby who could have such severe issues.

redrighthand83 · 29/08/2023 17:02

Whichwhatnow · 29/08/2023 16:56

The baby always seems to get forgotten in this. Don't get me wrong, I have major issues with using women's body as a commodity. But any time I read a story like this I just think of my DH. He was adopted at birth, no addiction issues or anything. Lovely middle class loving adoptive parents. And to you know what? He is completely screwed up. Covered in self harm scars, suicide attempts, so many abandonment and attachment issues. His bio parents were just completely normal young adults who didn't feel ready, by all accounts his childhood was idyllic. I really think it was the adoption and separation from his birth mum as a tiny baby that messed him up.

And yes of course I know that adoption doesn't screw up all kids. but why would you take that risk? It's just completely selfish in my opinion to deliberately set out to create a baby who could have such severe issues.

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On the flipside though, this is why its annoying when infertile or gay couples are told to 'just adopt'. You will almost likely be dealing with levels of trauma from a child. And not everyone is going to be allowed to adopt.

Clymene · 29/08/2023 17:03

Brian Dowling's sister had a baby for him and his husband. It's kickstarted a media career for her and Brian and Arthur have a lovely life where every single element of their child's life is pimped out - sorry, monetised.

I'm pretty certain the Lock-Lockes will do the same. They've been flogging their 'surrogacy journey' for the last 3 years so I can't see why they're going to stop now.

The children are accessories. And I want to know on what basis anyone can say they're going to be 'terrific' parents.

Whichwhatnow · 29/08/2023 17:11

barofsoap · 29/08/2023 16:26

Just sometimes surrogacy is the icing on the cake of a fairy tale. Prince Gustav's grandfather disappeared in WW2 after writing a will leaving estates & title to his unborn grandson, but only if he married a protestant aryan woman. Prince Gustav fell in love with Carina who is half mexican - they could not marry until last year when the legals had been sorted, though she had been warmly welcomed by the Danish and SWB families for many years
She is now 55 and they have got a little son born by surrogacy in the US. twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1695514921461588378?s=20

I think you'll need to wait and see how their kid feels before classing this as a fairytale.

Do you feel the same about 75 year old Jon Snow and his 50 year old wife? I mean I suppose the kid is never going to have to worry about care home fees but really is that a fairytale? I lost any respect I had for Jon Snow when he smugly said his middle aged wife 'deserved' to be a mum so they bought a womb.

Snowflake2023 · 29/08/2023 17:11

ActDottie · 29/08/2023 16:07

This. Ollie and Gareth have been very open about their story and their surrogate was 100% onboard. People talk about women’s choice when it comes to babies and being pregnant and this woman made a choice about what she wanted to do with her own body.

Yes there are some surrogacy situations where the woman may be coerced into it but this situation isn’t one of them actually shows a positive outcome for both parents and the surrogate.

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I think the only person who can talk about it being a positive outcome is the child in about 18 years time. How do you think they are going to feel knowing they were bought and sold? It will interesting to read the psychological studies done on this in 20-30 years time.

It's all glossy and happy now, but the child is the one who has to live with the outcome.

Spirallingdownwards · 29/08/2023 17:11

SandyThumb · 29/08/2023 16:41

The one on the right doesn't look too enamoured .
I predict these poor babies will be farmed out to a nanny once these boys realise that babies and celebrity insta livestyles don't mix...

It is clear you knkw nothing about them

Mustardseed86 · 29/08/2023 17:13

Clymene · 29/08/2023 17:03

Brian Dowling's sister had a baby for him and his husband. It's kickstarted a media career for her and Brian and Arthur have a lovely life where every single element of their child's life is pimped out - sorry, monetised.

I'm pretty certain the Lock-Lockes will do the same. They've been flogging their 'surrogacy journey' for the last 3 years so I can't see why they're going to stop now.

The children are accessories. And I want to know on what basis anyone can say they're going to be 'terrific' parents.

Absolutely, it's a business. Guaranteed lots of clicks and engagement.

Spirallingdownwards · 29/08/2023 17:15

Whichwhatnow · 29/08/2023 16:56

The baby always seems to get forgotten in this. Don't get me wrong, I have major issues with using women's body as a commodity. But any time I read a story like this I just think of my DH. He was adopted at birth, no addiction issues or anything. Lovely middle class loving adoptive parents. And to you know what? He is completely screwed up. Covered in self harm scars, suicide attempts, so many abandonment and attachment issues. His bio parents were just completely normal young adults who didn't feel ready, by all accounts his childhood was idyllic. I really think it was the adoption and separation from his birth mum as a tiny baby that messed him up.

And yes of course I know that adoption doesn't screw up all kids. but why would you take that risk? It's just completely selfish in my opinion to deliberately set out to create a baby who could have such severe issues.

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These babies are with their biological father and far from being abandoned they have actively sought to bring them into the world. They are surrounded by loving parents, their surrogate is to remain in their lives the fathers have a great and loving network around them. They will grow up surrounded by love and with lovely people in their lives and fortunately not by some of the sour and bigoted people commenting on this thread.

Whichwhatnow · 29/08/2023 17:16

redrighthand83 · 29/08/2023 17:02

On the flipside though, this is why its annoying when infertile or gay couples are told to 'just adopt'. You will almost likely be dealing with levels of trauma from a child. And not everyone is going to be allowed to adopt.

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Oh I absolutely agree! This is why me and my husband don't have any kids. Because there's no way we could have one naturally and I've made my peace with that. It's not a straight choice between surrogacy or adoption. Sometimes you just need to accept you can't always get everything you want!

Snowflake2023 · 29/08/2023 17:17

Also add to that the experience of your purchase being played out in the media. That's a whole new level of therapy right there.

I'm amazed at how people can't see how this will be viewed in the future when there are large groups of people who've had to live with the consequences of being a surrogate child.

I can see future lawsuits being raised by children against their parents who purchased them through surrogacy. There will be some interesting case law on this I bet!

Snowflake2023 · 29/08/2023 17:19

Spirallingdownwards · 29/08/2023 17:15

These babies are with their biological father and far from being abandoned they have actively sought to bring them into the world. They are surrounded by loving parents, their surrogate is to remain in their lives the fathers have a great and loving network around them. They will grow up surrounded by love and with lovely people in their lives and fortunately not by some of the sour and bigoted people commenting on this thread.

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You absolutely do not know any of this for sure and you don't know how the child is going to feel. You are buying into a media product not looking at the human rights of the issue.