Mother arrested in front of child by Met over bus fare (that she had paid!)

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twitter.com/saskia_cole/status/1682705268721737728?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

Why was this woman arrested like this!?! Her poor child!

According to other Tweeters, she had paid her bus fare BTW.

Truth 😂

@AlisonDonut Also, I love how one woman was harassed by a 'gang' of men (who were teenagers) but the other harassed by 'several' police officers.

Only one was surrounded by a 'gang' of police offers and handcuffed.

The message from Black women is consistent across both threads. Our utter frustration and anger is clear across both threads. Even white allies like @Lndnmummy were consistently shouted down.

Sorry, not even just with their white friends but they would be the only ones singled in that situation.

Look up Kalief Browder. Read his story. He was one of many wrongly imprisoned but he fought against institutional racism as an innocent person. He killed himself at only age 22 because he couldn't cope with how he was treated.

Go on youtube. Listen to that man talking about his experiences before he died then come back here and say 'people don't see colour, it's down to their actions'.

https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80187052

It’s not always possible to prove that she had paid, if she paid with an oyster , how is she meant to prove that she tapped it ?
if she paid with a bank card, the charge will not always show up straight away because it charges you the next due to it being capped
what if her phone was dead or she didn’t have a smart phone , how was she meant to show them she paid?

they could have just asked the bus driver, plus the bus driver probably wouldn’t have let her on if she didn’t pay because they can get reprimanded or fined for doing that
they usually refuse to start the bus until the person has got off

Bash feminists? Are the black posters on here not feminists?

I have no idea. Feminism is a thing you do, not an identity.

Along with all other posters on this feminist topic, black posters will know whether they fight for women and girls' rights or not and their activism will remain obscure unless they choose to share it.

There is no reason to presume any poster on MN is a feminist regardless of race. Even if they post on this feminist-lite topic or on FWR.

There is no reason to presume that any black rights activist is also a feminist just like there is no reason to presume any left wing activist, or anarchist, or antifa activist is not also a raging misogynist.

Yes, white feminists are being bashed on this thread. We are being told that we are as bad as rapists.

I will not apologise for disputing that claim.

I have no desire to police anyone, I just have eyes and a brain and I can read.

Please do carry on as you were, I am learning a lot.

Along with all other posters on this feminist topic, black posters will know whether they fight for women and girls' rights or not and their activism will remain obscure unless they choose to share it.

I'm happy to share mine. When in my late teens and early twenties grappling with feminism I completely riled against it. I couldn't really articulate why I felt that way - I hadn't done enough reading and listening, but I just knew it wasn't for me. Interestingly though, it was never to me a negative because of the stereotype of 'man-hating'. I worked through it, sat with some uncomfortable concepts and came out the other side proudly a feminist. I fight for Black women but more specifically Black girls.

I assumed it was autocorrect and was racists not rapists, perhaps @Socrateswasrightaboutvoting can confirm.

Black activists??? You mean black women respectfully giving their opinion on a feminist thread? If anyone has been argumentative it has been me, a white woman.

And this Yes, white feminists are being bashed on this thread

WHAT.

I am a feminist who is white. A true feminist who doesn't judge another woman's experiences because they are not the same as mine.

A feminist who cares about WOMEN. You only care about white women, clearly because there is not even the tiniest bit of understanding for the black WOMAN in this situation.

Why the fuck would it be bashing only white feminists if there is no difference between races? A few (including yourself) have simply had it pointed out to you that your views are not feminist. They are racist.

Perhaps you need a separate section on MN for people of your ilk away from decent people.

A safe space for white feminists so you don't have any black feminists having a different opinion from you.

@PencilsInSpace you haven't explicitly told me you are a feminist neither has anyone else on this thread.

So I presume no one on this thread is a feminist, including you.

Or even women.

Board is full of non feminists and non women.

Glad I've figured out how it works. Phew.

No, it was not an autocorrect. That poster said white feminists who post on mumsnet are as dangerous as rapists.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4856724-mother-arrested-in-front-of-child-by-met-over-bus-fare-that-she-had-paid?page=11&reply=127983774

They didn’t say white feminists as a whole though did they. They said white feminists who deliberately shout down the experiences of black women etc. Racist people are a threat to black people it’s as simple as that.

See even if that wasn't an autocorrect, having your dignity, sense of worth and your power taken away from you isn't far off it.

And before you go at me for that, I have actually been raped and have the psychological scars that will never go away. Not the point of this thread but you've honed in one thing a PP has said and ignored every single other thing.

Women supporting women.

Which posters here are as bad as rapists @PinkFrogss?

It's a serious accusation. If someone is doing something as bad as rape then they should be named.

Some women are accusing other women of being as bad as rapists on a feminist forum because they disagree with them.

Something has gone badly wrong here.

I haven’t read the thread referred to and don’t particularly want to go out of my way to look for racism.

My points were that you misrepresented what the poster said, and that racist people are a threat to black people. Some people may see that threat as equal to the threat of a rapist, others might not. There’s a whole load of opinions out there in the world after all.

The type of feminist/woman who dismisses and/or refuses to acknowledge and have empathy for Black women's differentiated experiences is as much a threat to Black women as any rapist. These individuals create an environment where racism and prejudice is able to thrive, attack after attack, microaggression after microaggression. All under the guise of advocating for women's rights - well not Black women because skin colour is irrelevant... Feel free to check research on:

• Racism causing both mental and physiological damage
• Racism being as damaging as sexual assault and other violent trauma
• Said damage being passed down through genes from one generation to another

So yes, I absolutely stand by what I said about that particular clique of feminists and any other white woman or race traitor. There is a growing body of scientific research to support the above, and much more about the damaging, often life long and intergenerational effects of racism. Just think about that, damage at a cellular level and that can be passed down through your genes, So yep, as much a threat to our bodies and minds as any rapist.

Yes, white feminists are being bashed on this thread. We are being told that we are as bad as rapists.
NOT ALL white feminists or women.

I will not apologise for disputing that claim.
I bet scientific researchers around the world are quaking in their boots. What do they know. Oh wait...

I’ve read the whole thread including the post referred to, and that’s not what happened. Stop being so obtuse. To put it simply, if you were describing (to a male colleague) an incident where someone treated you differently for being a woman - and he said ‘no that wouldn’t happen’ how would you feel? Why can’t you just accept the lives experiences of the people talking on this thread?

Something hasn't been worded as you would expect, but surely you can see the overall picture?

Why are some woman's experience's supported and not others?

You've already said about 'white' feminists being attacked, but then that we can't assume the black 'activists' are feminists unless they declare themselves.

Surely you can see how racist that sounds? I've not seen one person declare they are a feminist, it's just assumed (normally).

If nothing else because it is only a click away, watch the programme I posted. I actually didn't realise there was a Netflix documentary on it until I went looking for an interview I saw the man doing after he was released.

He was 16 years old when they put him in prison for nothing. The boy being vilified in the bike incident was 17, both in US.

Obviously this thread is about the bus, but that is a woman being surrounded by men yet supposed feminists are sticking up for the white men in uniform...even when it's also documented about the ingrained misogyny within the police in the UK.

No point in arguing with you, maybe you can be educated instead.

*as you would accept

It's very normal in London for there to be spot checks at certain bus stops with ticket inspectors plus police officers standing by.

I was doing the school run by bus in Wandsworth once a few years ago when four buses all ended up stacked up behind each other and the number of fare dodgers being de boarded and dealt with was unbelievable.

I suppose the combination of the Oyster card system and the number of youngsters going armed means that fare dodging is high and challenging fare dodgers is dangerous.

I'd imagine MH factors.

There's no point doing the organised tfl/police checks if the police aren't going to act when people flee. As I said above, these joint police and care inspector check stops are routine in London. So of course it's not excessive to enforce fare checks. TFL is huge business and it's publicly subsidised.

Her reaction seems odd but, as you say, there could be factors.

I'd imagine MH factors

Ffs.

Well now you know why. The "overstretched" Police have far more important things to worry about than murders ie whether or not people have paid their bus fare or not.

Like so much in London, though, it's political.

TFL want the back up so they get it. You can't resist a fare check and come out okay.

Delousing the Met is going to take at least another generation, anyway.

The best solution is to move out. Unless you're a rich white man.