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Why are there no violent femcels?

131 replies

Laneyy · 14/11/2022 11:39

I was watching a documentary about incels last night. It was quite scary how entitled some men feel entitled to sex of course with attractive women like they see on porn. They hammer their faces talk about killing and raping women. I think porn has a lot to answer for the rise in incels, they can't be bothered going out and talking to actual women. Just furiously wanking to women on screen..

Men and women are different it's easy for a female to get a meaningless shag which will probably be terrible but a meaningful relationship can be more difficult. I was pondering many women end up in dead end relationships ,we have a fertility time limit. Many men will waste a woman's time saying later not now until she's no longer fertile taking her chance to have biological children. Women don't then go on a murderous rampage.

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JerkintheMerkin · 14/11/2022 19:52

Can I ask what the programme was called?

Kanaloa · 14/11/2022 20:23

Liebig · 14/11/2022 18:13

Cool. How’s ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away working out for you?

You’re precisely the reason this toxic culture is expanding, not contracting.

Remember how effective it was to call Leave voters racist idiots to get them on side? No, me neither.

I don’t advocate ignoring it. I personally think anyone posting violent content online should be prosecuted and there should be much tighter supervision of these types of groups - I think they should be shut down really.

It’s not my job to soften everything and make sure men are included and coddled so they don’t decide they hate us and want to frighten and attack and kill us. And I am NOT the reason incel culture exists. Men (incels particularly) are the reason incel culture exists. How dare you imply that it’s women’s responsibility?

AndEverWhoKnew · 14/11/2022 20:32

I read an interesting article about how governments and security services monitor them in the UK.
Twitter must be an absolute gift to security services. They don't have to look very hard to find the incels at all.

NurseBernard · 14/11/2022 20:36

Funny that not a single incel is willing to date someone at his own level of attractiveness.

No, they think they’re entitled to someone at least marginally conventionally attractive, and if they don’t get this, they - unlike their female equivalent - get angry and violent.

AnApparitionQuipped · 14/11/2022 20:39

NurseBernard · 14/11/2022 20:36

Funny that not a single incel is willing to date someone at his own level of attractiveness.

No, they think they’re entitled to someone at least marginally conventionally attractive, and if they don’t get this, they - unlike their female equivalent - get angry and violent.

Exactly. But you can say that to them till you're blue in the face and they don't get it - I don't mean they deny it, it's as if you're talking a foreign language - they are incapable of comprehending the notion.

Kanaloa · 14/11/2022 20:42

AnApparitionQuipped · 14/11/2022 20:39

Exactly. But you can say that to them till you're blue in the face and they don't get it - I don't mean they deny it, it's as if you're talking a foreign language - they are incapable of comprehending the notion.

This is the problem. They say ‘women only want the top 20% of men’ but that translates to ‘the top 20% of women only want the top 20% of men.’

The basic confusion comes from the fact that they see women as intrinsically less than, so to them even the top 20% of women are worth less than the worst of the basement dwellers. So to them it’s very confusing that an accomplished and beautiful woman wants to date somebody who is also accomplished and good looking, rather than a nasty, angry, selfish little man who spends most of his time ranting hatefully.

Kanaloa · 14/11/2022 20:43

But because they have that skewed view of women’s worth, they think a woman in the top 20% (wealthy, accomplished, beautiful) should be happily available to literally any man, since all men are intrinsically better than even the best woman.

AnApparitionQuipped · 14/11/2022 20:49

Kanaloa · 14/11/2022 20:42

This is the problem. They say ‘women only want the top 20% of men’ but that translates to ‘the top 20% of women only want the top 20% of men.’

The basic confusion comes from the fact that they see women as intrinsically less than, so to them even the top 20% of women are worth less than the worst of the basement dwellers. So to them it’s very confusing that an accomplished and beautiful woman wants to date somebody who is also accomplished and good looking, rather than a nasty, angry, selfish little man who spends most of his time ranting hatefully.

Yes. There was something I saw - I can't remember whether I saw it live or whether it was quoted by someone else - man posting dilemma along the following lines:

'I'm a 6 [out of 10] and my problem is that all the 9s and 10s [women] only want to date other 9s and 10s.'

Cue sympathy. Poster could not understand the lack of logic in his thinking.

They also don't realise that if anything it's easier for a man who scores low on the looks front to get a better looking woman, than vice versa. Women are more likely to choose a man because he's solvent, reliable, a decent person, perhaps good fatherhood material, and overlook physical imperfections. It's not uncommon to see an attractive woman with an average-to-unattractive bloke. It's rare you see that the other way found.

Liebig · 14/11/2022 20:53

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/11/2022 19:18

erm

you seem to be saying that it's down to women to solve the incel problem by dating short men even if that's not their type?

or something?

No. I’m saying the modern capitalist system has mad everyone miserable in their own special way. For profit.

AndEverWhoKnew · 14/11/2022 20:57

The issue with incel culture isn't that they're miserable. It's that they're violent, entitled misogynists. Security services don't really care about sad people. They care about dangerous.

Liebig · 14/11/2022 21:00

AndEverWhoKnew · 14/11/2022 20:57

The issue with incel culture isn't that they're miserable. It's that they're violent, entitled misogynists. Security services don't really care about sad people. They care about dangerous.

Right. And how many incel terrorists have you seen arrested lately?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/11/2022 21:03

Liebig · 14/11/2022 21:00

Right. And how many incel terrorists have you seen arrested lately?

are you role playing as a doofus or something?

Galaktoboureko · 14/11/2022 21:07

I'm not so sure. Being a bit of a porker seems much less of an obstacle for women than men in the dating game. Most people know what a BBW stand for but a BBM is an unfamiliar concept.

Galaktoboureko · 14/11/2022 21:08

Galaktoboureko · 14/11/2022 21:07

I'm not so sure. Being a bit of a porker seems much less of an obstacle for women than men in the dating game. Most people know what a BBW stand for but a BBM is an unfamiliar concept.

Was replying to the below.

It's not uncommon to see an attractive woman with an average-to-unattractive bloke. It's rare you see that the other way found.

MetellaInHortoEst · 14/11/2022 21:09

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/11/2022 21:03

are you role playing as a doofus or something?

Yeah. He’s LARPing.

Fantasiamop · 14/11/2022 21:18

The gender stereotype myths, such as men having bigger sex drives, all women being chased by men, women getting to pick, etc., mean the shame and stigma for those of us women whom men are not attracted to is just too huge and we internalise it. Men in our society are entitled to rage and to take out their feelings on others. It's expected of them, even. Women self-harm instead.

Also it's all a projection: it's not really the women in society who insist on men conforming to standards of looks and then judge and choose them accordingly. Incels are projecting their misogyny onto women. Again, women tend to internalise instead.

MigsandTiggs · 14/11/2022 21:20

JerkintheMerkin · 14/11/2022 19:52

Can I ask what the programme was called?

Channel 4. The secret world of Incels: Untold

Galaktoboureko · 14/11/2022 21:21

Tbf, though, financially successful/men do seem to punch above their weight but that's largely down to the value that we as a sex place on these attributes. Men would generally rather have an attractive partner than a rich one all else being equal.

RestingMurderousFace · 14/11/2022 21:22

Onnabugeisha · 14/11/2022 15:22

Is there even such thing as a female incel (involuntarily celibate) to begin with?

I was one for a while as a teenager. Wanted to kill myself though not men...

Galaktoboureko · 14/11/2022 21:23

The gender stereotype myths, such as men having bigger sex drives, all women being chased by men, women getting to pick, etc

There is some truth in the above tho tbh.

Fantasiamop · 14/11/2022 21:25

RebulahConundrum · 14/11/2022 17:27

Really hate this idea that there are no female incels and any woman can get it whenever she wants. As a 36 year old female incel, who has always wanted to be in a relationship but is obviously so hideous no man would ever glance at me, I would very much disagree with that. I can't be the only one in the world.

This.
I'm sure you really are not unattractive, but your point still stands, because it's women who are expected to meet set criteria in looks, far more than men, and who are judged according to our ability to attract a mate and reproduce. Not men.

We just aren't brought up with the sense of entitlement or encouraged to express anger or to be violent and boys and men are. We blame ourselves and feel crap instead.

Fantasiamop · 14/11/2022 21:27

RestingMurderousFace · 14/11/2022 21:22

I was one for a while as a teenager. Wanted to kill myself though not men...

Quite. How many women didn't want to die, self-harm, starve themselves or just get very depressed about their looks in their youth?
How many men did, but then realised that conforming to looks requirements doesn't affect men's employability or social life as much as it affects women's?

NurseBernard · 14/11/2022 21:30

NurseBernard · 14/11/2022 19:29

Having known men who almost went down this road because of stupid shit on dating apps almost putting them over the edge (“I don’t date short guys”)

What the actual….?!

You think men don’t do this to women, @Liebig…?!

Please……

Care to address this double standard @Liebig?

You're very conveniently ignoring many points raised on this thread in your rush to defend incels.

NurseBernard · 14/11/2022 21:32

Galaktoboureko · 14/11/2022 21:23

The gender stereotype myths, such as men having bigger sex drives, all women being chased by men, women getting to pick, etc

There is some truth in the above tho tbh.

But the men who want to just be able ‘to pick’ do so. With no concern about who they’re picking.

It’s called ‘rape’.

When women ‘pick’, it’s with consenting partners.

TruckerBarbie · 14/11/2022 21:37

NurseBernard · 14/11/2022 21:32

But the men who want to just be able ‘to pick’ do so. With no concern about who they’re picking.

It’s called ‘rape’.

When women ‘pick’, it’s with consenting partners.

Bit of a ridiculous generalisation tbh.

If you've ever tried online dating you'll know that women get absolutely inundated with messages in a way that men simply don't. This allows them to pick and choose to a much greater degree. It's always been this way. Hence why when a woman says she is 'traditional' it usually means she wants the man to take the lead.

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