Domestic abuse- male victims & statistics

[MrsGhastlyCrumb]

So: I was at a class this evening where we were informed that about 20% of police call-outs for DA involve male victims.

Now, I do recognise that there are male victims, which is of course awful, but this seems high to me. I have certainly encountered and heard of male abusers calling in counter claims against their female partners in order to cover themselves. Is it possible that this is more widespread than I realised, therefore accounting for a large proportion of the numbers we were quoted, or is it genuinely that high, do you think?

TIA for your thoughts.

That’s not actually statistically true.

If this is true be prepared to back it up as it won’t go down well.

if it’s not true, you’ll quite rightly get a hard time

"If this is true be prepared to back it up as it won’t go down well.

if it’s not true, you’ll quite rightly get a hard time"

I'm no expert but rather than just dismiss the claim as simply untrue or lazily threaten them with getting pilloried I did a quick fofo and found this.

"Life-time prevalence of IPV in LGB couples appeared to be similar to or higher than in heterosexual ones: 61.1% of bisexual women, 43.8% of lesbian women, 37.3% of bisexual men, and 26.0% of homosexual men experienced IPV during their life, while 35.0% of heterosexual women and 29.0% of heterosexual men experienced IPV. When episodes of severe violence were considered, prevalence was similar or higher for LGB adults (bisexual women: 49.3%; lesbian women: 29.4%; homosexual men: 16.4%) compared to heterosexual adults (heterosexual women: 23.6%; heterosexual men: 13.9%) (Breiding et al., 2013)."

Now it might be that the methods of data collection make direct comparison difficult and there would be other studies with different data no doubt but it is interesting in the context of this thread that the least prevalent is heterosexual men and the highest that of bisexual and homosexual women which suggests that many women are quite capable of, andresort to, ipv.

I seem to remember they didn't actually break down which type of relationships the bisexual women were in when the abuse happened.

But presumably there is no doubt which type of relationship lesbians were in ( unless this violence is being blamed on transwomen!)

I didn't say otherwise?

In the LGBTQ community some research reports a higher % of gay/bi women reporting da compared to gay/bi men. Other research indicates gay men reporting double the % of da compared to gay women.

Either way the important point is what the above indicates depends on the question. Some surveys, as the one you quote above, ask for ‘lifetime prevalence’ - ie have you ever experienced an incident of da by a family member or partner since the age of 16, not whether you are experiencing it with your current partner.

In which case it’s unsurprising that more lesbian and bi women have experienced da because they’re female.

"ie have you ever experienced an incident of da by a family member or partner since the age of 16, not whether you are experiencing it with your current partner"

But the above is quoting lifetime ipv, not da.

That’s what you’re quoting, what I’m quoting is da.

Well the pp said this

'Statistically speaking, women are more likely to physically assault their partners than men are, particularly women in the LGBTQ community"

Which to me means ipv not da. This is not what the poster claimed so isn't referring to da a strawman?

Or it’s a comment on the fact that there are different types of studies with different conclusions.

It is simply incorrect to say that statistically heterosexual women are ‘more likely’ to assault their partners. For lesbian and bi women, some studies indicate a higher prevalence of assault but others don’t. For bi women, who generally report higher levels than lesbians, it could have been a male.

"It is simply incorrect to say that statistically heterosexual women are ‘more likely’ to assault their partners"

So you say. How about you back this up.

Go and look for yourself, you clearly like googling.

I'm not the one making false statements, or repeatedly resorting to strawman arguments.

Nor am I.

Males have a higher rate of physical domestic violence toward their partners in heterosexual relationships in regards to actual police reports, but women tend to have higher rates in surveys, particularly white women. This hold true with non-sexual physical child abuse as well, particularly mothers abusing their daughters.

Basically, women are more likely to hit than men according to most surveys, but it's less likely to be reported. Reasons for this include, the fact that women are less likely to inflict serious injuries on their victims, and their victims are less likely to report it. Like I said, when I was in that field right out of college, I was shocked at how many men reported being slapped or having things thrown at them. I knew female domestic violence rates were much higher in the LGBTQ community even in cases that were reported because you learn that in a 100 level sociology course and I'm bi-sexial, but how many women that abuse their husbands was pretty shocking.

In my own experience, I can tell you this. I have only had one man ever get rough with me, and it was alcohol related (he was blacked out drunk). I have been physically assaulted in all 3 gay relationships I've been in that involved co-habitation. It's one of the reasons why I won't get seriously involved with another woman these days.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-more-likely-to-hit-their-partners-wx29qb0nwwg

news.ufl.edu/archive/2006/07/women-more-likely-to-be-perpetrators-of-abuse-as-well-as-victims.html

childprotectionresource.online/mothers-are-more-likely-to-abuse-children-than-fathers-fact/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html

Males have a higher rate of physical domestic violence toward their partners in heterosexual relationships in regards to actual police reports, but women tend to have higher rates in surveys, particularly white women.

Well no that’s not true. The biggest surveys are HO and BCS figures. The BCS reports 40% men, 60% women.

Did you read your links?

The Times survey is of 1000 young people aged 18-22.

The next one is 2500 University of South Carolina students.

The next one is not about IPV but about child abuse. In which the writer concludes that stats reflect the fact that women are far more likely to be single parents, (90% in the U.K.) 50% of fathers don’t contribute to their children, and single parent families are more likely to be poor.

The final piece of research in the Independent is of 34,000 people over many different surveys. It found that 40% of victims are men, in line with the BCS above. That male violence is more serious and more likely to injure their partners, that women tend to push, slap and throw objects.

Women are more likely to hit, according to surveys.

It is what it is.
You can try to spin that any way you want, but to say otherwise would be to deny reality. You can find hundreds of articles on this.

I realize this is probably sacrilegious on a message board in the feminism section, but as an active feminist myself, I think it's something that should be acknowledged more. One of the big reasons is because women that hit are also more likely to eventually get hit back. That's not a good thing when your partner of the opposite sex or teenage son is strong enough to break bones in your face if they decide to return the favor. Physical abuse is never ok regardless of how minor it is.

Women are more likely to hit, according to surveys.

Except they’re not according to the major surveys to police stats, and to your only study with a decent sample size.

Didn't one of the studies I posted find that in 70% of cases involving non reciprocal violence the woman was the perpetrator?

The 2006 thirty-two nation International Dating Violence Study "revealed an overwhelming body of evidence that bidirectional violence is the predominant pattern of perpetration; and this ... indicates that the etiology of ipv is mostly parallel for men and women". The survey found for "any physical violence", a rate of 31.2%, of which 68.6% was bidirectional, 9.9% was perpetrated by men only, and 21.4% by women only. For severe assault, a rate of 10.8% was found, of which 54.8% was bidirectional, 15.7% perpetrated by men only, and 29.4% by women only.[57]

... the 1975 U.S. National Family Violence Survey carried out by Murray A. Straus and Richard J. Gelles on a nationally representative sample of 2,146 "intact families". The survey found 11.6% of women and 12% of men had experienced some kind of intimate partner violence in the last twelve months, also 4.6% of men and 3.8% of women had experienced "severe" intimate partner violence.

A study conducted in 2007 by Daniel J. Whitaker, Tadesse Haileyesus, Monica Swahn, and Linda S. Saltzman, of 11,370 heterosexual U.S. adults aged 18 to 28 found that 24% of all relationships had some violence. Of those relationships, 49.7% of them had reciprocal violence. In relationships without reciprocal violence, women committed 70% of all violence.

The 2001 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health found that 49.7% of intimate partner violence cases were reciprocal and 50.3% were non-reciprocal. When data provided by men only was analyzed, 46.9% of cases were reported as reciprocal and 53.1% as non-reciprocal. When data provided by women only was analyzed, 51.3% of cases were reported as reciprocal and 49.7% as non-reciprocal. The overall data showed 70.7% of non-reciprocal intimate partner violence cases were perpetrated by women only (74.9% when reported by men; 67.7% when reported by women) and 29.3% were perpetrated by men only (25.1% when reported by men; 32.3% when reported by women).[56]

In 2000, John Archer conducted a meta-analysis of eighty-two IPV studies. He found that "women were slightly more likely than men to use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently.

I had no idea my brother was in an abusive relationship until he turned up covered in blood from a bleeding nose and many bite marks and deep nail scratches. He escaped her madness thank God, but she went on to have many more violent relationships with boyfriends, neighbours, her own teenaged children and police getting involved on many occasions

It's weird how it's considered taboo to discuss female violence. It's almost like there's a big cover up and we're fed an idealised reality which most believe without question (and feminists vehemently defend).

I believe that you believe what you're posting.
You're here to debate, not to learn.
You're emotional. I can see that. You're very emotional

I couldn’t really be less emotional, and that is a laughable response to reliable figures and a reasoned argument.

I have much more recent experience of working with da than you do. So who here is the one who doesn’t want to learn?