Amber Heard&Johnny Depp post verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4560089-amber-heardjohnny-depp-verdict?page=1

and the one before(during trial):

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Also, refresher on DV:

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

I didn't listen to the audios in full until towards the end of the trial. How she behaves and talks to him is not a woman who is afraid, she's abusive.

Tbh I think the audios have been done to death on here and you will get the same range of views as ever.

The full transcript is here (scroll to the bottom). This is a pro Depp site I think
annsilvers.com/blogs/news/johnny-depp-and-amber-heard-audio-recording-sept-2015-transcript

Amber has become the most perfect imperfect victim.

Probably aspiring. But just putting out there why I came to my decision against AH and not against the women on here, especially those that have shared their stories.

AH is one of those maybe 2% who lie. I'll always believe women first and foremost unless I see things that prove otherwise

She's let us down. Calling her out and still standing by women is a thing!

"Amber has become the most perfect imperfect victim"

She isn't a victim. Only of herself. Or probably of her father is closer to the truth. She needs serious medical intervention so she can give that daughter of hers as good a life as possible.

People forget about Oonagh, like they have Jack and Lily Rose. Children. Jack and lily rose have received abuse and threats. That's one of the main reasons JD did what he did.

@AdamRyan
Im further questioning your logic here if you truly as you say took the statistic
“1 in 100 reported rapes result in charge.” and then extrapolated it to conclude that "a high proportion of those "not guilty" actually did rape someone, it just can't be proved"

It doesn’t make sense really to jump to that conclusion. Being found not guilty would only happen to some of the men actually charged with rape. So those “not guilty” are a subset of the 1 in 100 charged with rape but then cleared of rape at the trial by being found not guilty.

No man in the 99 not charged would ever be found “not guilty” because no charge means no trial. Attrition of rape reports such that only 1 in 100 ever get to trial is a problem, absolutely. But that is a completely separate issue from using that statistic to conclude that rape trials often let guilty men off.

Are they? How would you know? How can we be sure of any conviction or accusation which doesn't present absolutely overwhelming physical evidence linking someone directly to the crime?

We look at the evidence.

Keir Starmer oversaw a key study in his time as DPP.

The study looked at 5,651 prosecutions for rape between January 2011 and May 2012 during which period there just 35 for making false allegations of rape.

There were also 111,891 prosecutions for domestic violence but just 6 for making false allegations.

Starmer commented at the time:

‘From the cases we have analysed, the indication is that it is therefore extremely rare that a suspect deliberately makes a false allegation of rape or domestic violence purely out of malice… It is within this context that the issue should be viewed, so that myths and stereotypes around these cases are not able to take hold.’

Mr Starmer also introduced radical measures in the way the criminal justice system tackled child sexual abuse to prevent ‘another Savile moment in five or ten years’ time.

What proportion of cases that go to trial result in a guilty verdict?

I put "not guilty" in quotes, as short hand for any man accused of rape and not convicted.
Doesn't matter if it went to court or not.
You have to accept there are way more rapists facing absolutely no consequences than falsely accused/lives ruined men.

Fuck all probably aspiring.

The system is shit, unless there's DNA evidence but even then...I don't know.

I doubt many women have the evidence Amber did but her evidence was doctored, ambiguous and of all the recordings and pictures she took, there wasn't one to substantiate her worst allegations.

She let women down.

Amber has become the most perfect imperfect victim

She isn't a victim. Only of herself. Or probably of her father is closer to the truth

This is the possition she will take now along with the many that believe her.

Being accused of lying will never be on par with being accused of rape.

We will never know the truth, only the two people involved and it looks like this war will continue.

His lagacy will forever be the man who was accused of being a rapist.
Nothing will ever change that.

@Aspiringmatriarch

There was a man who killed himself during his trail -,2 days later he was found innocent.
That was a bother , son, husband father. ........
It's a witch hunt.

Obviously, that's a really horrific and tragic situation. We do know though that for a case to go to trial CPS has to deem there is enough evidence to do so. The majority of cases don't get that far.

Of course sometimes the system gets it wrong, and that's dreadful any time it happens. They doesn't constitute a witch hunt though.
^^
Sorry Whitch hunt is a bit strong.
But this isn't a isolated incident.
I know if 4 other men in similar.

I also know of one woman- didn't even get to court.
So I can see both sides.

But it's too easy for 'anyone' to accuse someone- a cloud that can takes years even ti get ti court.

I also feel morally certain, although I only have the experience of one side, that being raped is far worse than being falsely accused of rape.

I've been raped.

My brother in law has been falsely accused of rape, arrested, put on trial and imprisoned for over 2 years as a rapist, threatened by other inmates due to the rape charge and then released after being found not guilty on appeal, and has spent 20 years with people saying there's no smoke without fire!

I think he's had a worse experience than me tbh

"You have to accept there are way more rapists facing absolutely no consequences than falsely accused/lives ruined men"

No doubt.

That's the problem women face. What makes by blood boil about AH is she's made that worse by accusing him via MSM, dubious evidence then doubling down on live tv and expecting people to believe her and everyone else is lying. Playing on words. Why would you do that if you're telling the truth. Her being incredibly upset facing the jury then completely switching off turning her face to the next question.

Also on the stand...I watched her intently. Now, I'm relying on my gut and spidey senses which most of us do as that's in our human nature and I thought what the fuck was that?! Can anyone tell me on here your human nature hasn't screamed out to you coming across certain individuals "this doesn't feel right". How many times on MN are we told "trust your gut"

My fellow MNs who have shared their experiences. I one million percent believe them. I base that on their many posts throughout and the way they write about their experiences. I can't explain it. I don't know why but I know they're not lying. AH left me cold. I could hear the words but I just couldn't believe her and as a survivor myself she is full of red flags.

No it’s not. You’re not omniscient, and you’ve formed a conclusion based smatterings of the trial and social media, with no acknowledgement that you could be wrong, and that if you are - calling Heard out is itself abusive.

As per the study quoted by Starmer - the false accusation rate was 0.005% not 2%.

Your theory requires that not only did Heard lie, but her sister and her friend etc. What are the stats on people falsely testifying on behalf of other people falsely accusing them of violence? Vanishingly rare.

The majority of false claims are rumbled at the time. They don’t stand up to scrutiny and they certainly don’t get upheld in a court.

"No it’s not. You’re not omniscient, and you’ve formed a conclusion based smatterings of the trial and social media, with no acknowledgement that you could be wrong, and that if you are - calling Heard out is itself abusive"

You see you've read only a fraction of my post and reacted.

Smatterings of the trial? Re read my post I watched ALL of it and a lot of it again, and ALL audios and ALL depositions available and AVOIDED social media

Have you?

You're angry I don't agree with you

@happinessischocolate
And then there the man who spent 2 years in prison and women came out and confessed she made it up.
(He got a letter of apology).

"Your theory requires that not only did Heard lie, but her sister and her friend etc."

I believe they did. You know why I think that. Her sister, a woman, is her victim too. As for her friend....tumbleweed now

If you are right how have some innocent men ended up in prison?

No one on here knows 100% who is right, Heard supporters or Depp supporters.

Now, I'm relying on my gut and spidey senses which most of us do as that's in our human nature and I thought what the fuck was that?! Can anyone tell me on here your human nature hasn't screamed out to you coming across certain individuals "this doesn't feel right". How many times on MN are we told "trust your gut"

I don’t believe in gut and spidey senses - it’s just bollocks. Particularly regarding someone you’ve never met. It’s basically a way of justifying prejudice and ignoring the evidence.

"you’ve formed a conclusion based smatterings of the trial and social media, with no acknowledgement that you could be wrong,"

This is YOU Iris

"I don’t believe in gut and spidey senses - it’s just bollocks. Particularly regarding someone you’ve never met. It’s basically a way of justifying prejudice and ignoring the evidence."

You haven't met her either

"I don’t believe in gut and spidey senses - it’s just bollocks. Particularly regarding someone you’ve never met"

I'll save this quote for all other MN threads where women seek help

If you are right how have some innocent men ended up in prison?

No one on here knows 100% who is right, Heard supporters or Depp supporters.

I agree no-one knows - a fact completely overlooked by the Heard obsessives with their spidey senses. That includes not knowing if an innocent man has ended up in prison.

You're looking like a man hating misandrist now iris you've deliberately ignored all nuances in my post as it doesn't suit your narrative and now applying sarcasm and piss taking.

Watch that latest Vid I posted. AH does that