Amber Heard&Johnny Depp post verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4560089-amber-heardjohnny-depp-verdict?page=1

and the one before(during trial):

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Also, refresher on DV:

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

I've tried to be nice, took all your points in bit you don't care about us....you are bitter women and akthough I get that, you have nothing positive to move things forward for the future. Dinosaurs

Anyway fuck you all. Going to bed.

Ok back to bejng sensible and not talking about black holes. No. They're all about the bottom line and money. He's now a gold mine. I hope he tells Disney and Warner brothers to fuck off.

Not for $300 million and 1 million alpacas😁!!

Shit I was going to bed.

Imagine all those alpacas 🤣

Anyway, in case everyone forget or did you even consider, his son and daughter who experienced threats and diatribe for years now have their dad back

You may feel like a lone voice on this thread but not out in the real world @TiddyTidTwo. Workload this week has prevented me from jumping back in on this discussion but I completely agree with your points.

Thank you @StormzyinaTCup

🥰

You can't trust Fuck all, you can't trust men you can trust women, you can't trust police, authorities, social services, judges statistics...

LAll these on this thread reverted to the the bullshit statistics to turn themselves inside out to protect Amber '

Because women are innocent. Children died at the hands of abusive women. FACT. Not men. Women.

I

Sorry latest UK Cases. "Nobody loves me"

You know who I'm referring to. That child. Abusive women. FACT

"Tiddy has done a sterling job defending her decision."

I try but I'll be honest I get attacked and I feel really hurt. I go away and think "was I wrong". It might take a day or so but I come back "no I'm not wrong"

We all see different things Tiddy, in Amber.

Some see her as that imperfect victim and some of us see our narcissistic abuser turning every truthful point back at us.

Everyones experience is different, we should allow each other the right to our own views, opinions and decisions.

I agree with you, others don't, it doesn't matter, time will tell.

There is no perfect truth.

@Onthedunes thank you.

I've really struggled on this thread and means a lot what you've said. I've felt bullied at times and backed off bit I always come back 🥰

Some see her as that imperfect victim and some of us see our narcissistic abuser turning every truthful point back at us.

@Onthedunes and that's where this thread fall apart. Only those that have endured a narc understand.

I see strength on both sides of this argument.

Formidable women.

Maybe some of the posters have not had personal experience of a narcissist, it is absolutely triggering but if people think this illness or whatever it is, is confined to just men they are sadly mistaken.

Femenism or not, narcissism is about self, it doesn't include others, I do not believe Amber cares a jot about other women, she would eat many on here for breakfast.

Take care Tiddy x

No pearl clutcher please but I'm a survivor from a man and my DH from a female.

We were talking about the case:

DH: you know if you put your hands around my neck I could have you arrested!
ME: is that right?
DH: yes!
ME: my darling if I put my hands around your neck, I'd finish the job so you'd be dead
DH: oh
ME: I love you

@Onthedunes thank you so much.

Just to clarify me and my DH are both survivors and have humour about it all.

I said tonight about AH response to JD and setting women back

His response "oh, really. Whatever"

Aspiringmatriarch · Yesterday 21:34

Right. Not sure if there's alcohol involved here or just emotions running high but your logic is nonexistent.
I'm out.
Thanks everyone for some interesting discussions.

It never looks good when one side of a debate constantly resorts to insults when they find themselves in difficulties.

So far we have had that anyone who doesn't think that Amber is a victim rather than a liar is a man, an MRA, a self loathing woman filled with internalised misogyny, a fanboy or fangirl or (from Twitter) a 'skirt' and handmaiden of Satan.

Accusing Tiddy of being drunk is a pretty foul thing to do simply because you are struggling to make a decent case. She must also be an habitual drunkard given how long she has been battling away here doing sterling work against the Amber apologists.

TiddyTidTwo · Today 01:16

@Onthedunes and that's where this thread fall apart. Only those that have endured a narc understand.

I definitely think that's true. I think it helps if you have had dealings with a female narcissist specifically to know women can be like that, especially if you have some strange notion that women are intrinsically better than men.

@carolineshaw

It never looks good when one side of a debate constantly resorts to insults when they find themselves in difficulties.

So far we have had that anyone who doesn't think that Amber is a victim rather than a liar is a man, an MRA, a self loathing woman filled with internalised misogyny, a fanboy or fangirl or (from Twitter) a 'skirt' and handmaiden of Satan.

Accusing Tiddy of being drunk is a pretty foul thing to do simply because you are struggling to make a decent case. She must also be an habitual drunkard given how long she has been battling away here doing sterling work against the Amber apologists.
^^^^^^
This.
Or like my Dad use to say 'when you resort to name calling you've already lost the argument. '

I got a bit ratty myself, in a lot of pain from my accident.

Anyway, Ben Chew strongly hinted that JD might forgo the money if AH drops the appeal.

I think if he does, she needs a gag order in place. Her team are putting out statements on his every move which are coming across really badly. I have a feeling her PR guy is out of the picture now.

The reason why thread fell apart is because couple of you managed to get annoying enough and completely miss the point of threads. They were never about Amber vs Johnny, it was about following trial and results of it through feminist lens. If you understood feminism like those few posters you made go away with your pathetic bullying you would know THERE IS NO DEBATE ON WHO’S THE VICTIM. Next to plenty of threads about how horrible Amber is some had the need to pretend they’re smart and that they can tell all of us idiots on here what’s really going on-despite all you did was repeating bad arguments that end up nowhere or ignored arguing about irrefutable(and then got offended for being called out for trolling). Again there was no debate here, no one asked you to”prove feminism isn’t real”or to lecture what you think feminism is by pulling stuff out of your ass. It’s amazingly offensive to all the feminists who had plenty of time to think though everything years ago(some before you were born or at least before you ever heard of it)instead of getting stuck at point 1. Some here just need to grow up(or at least like others, make your own post). I’m over it

IrisVersicolor · Yesterday 20:44

As I quoted in my above post above, the study found certain patterns - that the age bracket of 16-25 year olds were more likely to have cases designated false, unemployed were more likely than employed people, a case involving drugs or alcohol or people with mental health problems including learning disabilities more likely to be designated false.

That doesn’t actually mean the police were wrong. It could be prejudice blinding them to the truth or it could reflect reality in that certain groups are more likely to make false accusations.

Once the cases that did not meet the HO criteria for designating a case false were weeded out, the 8% police figure dropped to 3%. In other words the police tended to overestimate the number of false reports.

Again, we are just evaluating which reports we believe and which we don’t based on no real knowledge of the truth about the allegations.

Claiming I use police data to determine false claims is incorrect and misses the point. Police and CPS data are simply a factor in any discussion of false claims that have been reported. There all kinds of problems with police data, too many to go into here - that is a topic in itself.

We are still just in the business of making calculated guesses about the reliability of the police’s judgement about who is and isn’t making false accusations.

We still have no real idea how many false accusations there are, how many convictions are sound and how many acquittals allow a rapist to walk free and how many cases don't go anywhere for lack of evidence about a crime which really did take place.

We simply don’t have the ability to determine who is being truthful and who not with absolute certainty except with a minority of cases where there is cast iron evidence which allows for no debate, such as the man accused was in another town/country at the time of the alleged attack. Those are rare, especially when it comes to crimes which take place behind doors and where there aren’t witnesses except the two people involved. Mainly we're just dealing with probabilities.

Really good video on the appeal process: