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Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Miscfeminista · 31/05/2022 14:28

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

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Indoctro · 02/06/2022 09:23

There is something very wrong about Amber Heard. I think she has mental health issues. She needs professional help. She is toxic.

I'm glad JD won personally.

FloydPepper · 02/06/2022 09:23

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 08:36

Regardless of anything else, Depp is known to have sent horrendous texts and has a history of violent behaviour amongst other things. Yet, he’s being presented as a gentleman, a hero, a nice guy. Even if you think Amber is a terrible person, I can’t get my head around Depp being portrayed as a good man. It this obsession we seem to have with having a good and a bad person, taking sides, picking a team. No one in their right mind can say Depp is a good man, regardless of their thoughts on Amber. Yet they do.

Bad men can be victims of abuse too
just like bad women can
you don’t have to be perfect to be a victim of abuse, whatever your sex

CaptSkippy · 02/06/2022 09:23

dumdumduuuummmmm · 02/06/2022 09:21

I'm sorry you have the view of men you have. There are many wonderful kind caring men. I'm sorry you never found them

Name one

GreySquirrrel · 02/06/2022 09:23

Brilliant, considered, analytical responses from @Autumndays123 thank you.

I believe that justice has truly been done in this case.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 02/06/2022 09:24

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dumdumduuuummmmm · 02/06/2022 09:24

@CaptSkippy my dh

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 09:24

FloydPepper · 02/06/2022 09:16

Not on this thread, not openly

but I have seen it on mumsnet before. Regularly. Only a few posters and often the same ones but there’s a definite group who consistently deny men can suffer abuse.

im always disappointed mn allow it, but they do

I have never seen this.

And mumsnet allow it to stand? After you reported?

Sandra1984 · 02/06/2022 09:25

Amber is a very "unlikable" victim, she's pretty, bisexual, does drugs, famous, outspoken, ambitious, had a baby without getting pregnant and walked out of her divorce with 17 million. This was her demise.

FloydPepper · 02/06/2022 09:26

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 09:24

I have never seen this.

And mumsnet allow it to stand? After you reported?

Yes

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 02/06/2022 09:26

I also fear for the women siding with Depp. They think that shit couldn't happen to them and they are in more danger than the women being realistic about this. Because once they do get hit, they'll be too ashamed to admit they were wrong and will stay with their abuser longer.

I'm a survivor who sided with JD. Don't feel sorry for me. I watched the trial and came to my conclusion. I know that it can happen and also got out of both DV relationships.
I'm just not bitter about all men thankfully.

RosehipSyrupForDinner · 02/06/2022 09:28

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:34

I’d be much more interested in sharing insights on a case that happened locally to me several years ago.

Woman claimed she had been raped in a local park close to a university which caused huge alarm and concern in the area. Man in question was charged. However, she later admitted she had made the entire story up and what had actually happened was she had consensual sex with two different men on the alleged night. He was released, she was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

But yes, we should believe all women and let an innocent man rot in jail and have his life ruined because women. This stuff happens more than we think. Every victim deserves to have their cases investigated, properly, regardless on whether they’re male or female.

What a strange case to share your knowledge of, bearing in mind the infinitesimally small percentage of male rapists who are actually convicted.

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 09:29

FloydPepper · 02/06/2022 09:23

Bad men can be victims of abuse too
just like bad women can
you don’t have to be perfect to be a victim of abuse, whatever your sex

I agree. But to say that those bad men are actually good men is wrong.

Blossomtoes · 02/06/2022 09:29

dumdumduuuummmmm · 02/06/2022 09:24

@CaptSkippy my dh

And mine. And my son and stepsons. And several of my friends. It seems some women are spectacularly unfortunate with the men in their lives.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/06/2022 09:30

had a baby without getting pregnant

what a vile hateful comment, millions of woman become parents without ever getting pregnant, your mindset is frankly below the pale to use this as a weapon of hateful speech!

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 09:30

FloydPepper · 02/06/2022 09:26

Yes

Can you link as I would like to report and open a discussion with mumsnet about this?

BonnesVacances · 02/06/2022 09:33

Lots of posters on this thread have a very low opinion of other women and their ability to assimilate facts and come to their own views. What's the name for that?

Porcupineintherough · 02/06/2022 09:34

@HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend I don't think millions of women become parents every year through surrogacy. At least, I hope they don't.

Chulainn · 02/06/2022 09:34

Sandra1984 · 02/06/2022 09:25

Amber is a very "unlikable" victim, she's pretty, bisexual, does drugs, famous, outspoken, ambitious, had a baby without getting pregnant and walked out of her divorce with 17 million. This was her demise.

Her lies under oath was her demise. I can't say I particularly like her but that's because of her behaviour in this case and the recordings of her behaviour. It has nothing to do with her sexuality, her surrogate baby or any of the other things you've listed. Why do you think any of that makes her unlikeable? Is that why you don't like her?

KonTikki · 02/06/2022 09:35

Well, reading this thread has been an education.
It was one man and one woman giving their evidence at a trial against each other.
The jury's job was to hear that evidence and make their verdict accordingly.
Nothing else mattered.

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 09:35

BonnesVacances · 02/06/2022 09:33

Lots of posters on this thread have a very low opinion of other women and their ability to assimilate facts and come to their own views. What's the name for that?

When anyone, woman or man, looks at Depps history, and comes to the conclusion that he’s a good man, it’s worrying.

Dashdotdotdash · 02/06/2022 09:36

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CooooCoooo · 02/06/2022 09:36

Amber definitely got caught up in her lies which the jury clearly noticed.

She lied about donating the money.
She lied about the damage at the trailer park.
She lied about getting a broken nose after the met gala.
She lied that he beat her multiple times with his rings on when just one punch would have left serious damage to her face such as cuts.
She lied about alerting TMZ.
She lied about leaking a video to TMZ.
She lied about Depp trying to push her sister down the stairs.
She lied about Kate Moss.
She lied about not taking cocaine.
She lied about editing pictures.
She lied about only ever hitting Depp once.
She lied about Depp raping her with a bottle. (The leaked audio the jury didn't hear confirms she lied about this. The audio confirms she threw the bottle that cut off his finger).
Even small, irrelevant lies like lying about the manager of the trailer park wearing a mesh top.

Her behaviour on the stand during her testimony was questionable too. I've never seen a person, who is recounting the times they nearly died or got their nose broken, go from face scrunched up in anguish while breathing fast and struggling to get words out to a stoney faced blank expression in the blink of an eye every time objection is called and then go back to scrunched up face and fast breathing when told to carry on. It's not normal. It looked like acting and I'm sure the jury noticed that too.

She also had plenty of slip ups such as "I was punching my head, um, I'm repeatedly punching my head" and "I didn't want him to find out from tmz who were alerted face slap" and "my bruise kit. No, not bruise kit, my theatrical make up kit which I called my bruise kit". There was another one where Camille asked her if she was ever scared taking pictures of Depp asleep/passed out and she responded with a snigger and said "why would I be scared?" - because this man apparently beats you until you're nearly dead, Amber!?

I think the trial has shown there's definitely more hoops a man has to jump through before he is believed to have been abused - I know, I'm sorry, I'm such a staunch feminist as well - but take that one recording where she says "I'm sorry that I didn't hit you across the face in a proper slap, but I was hitting you, it was not punching you. Babe, you're not punched. I don't know what the motion of my actual hand was, but you're fine, I did not hurt you, I did not punch you, I was hitting you". If a man had been recorded saying that to a women, they'd be no question that she was getting abused. None.

Tia74 · 02/06/2022 09:37

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:03

JD’s reputation isn’t done for- he will be back on top in no time. He’s a talented actor who has grown a huge fanbase, especially with a younger audience, over the past few weeks. Actors with worse scandals have made comebacks- he definitely will, too.

However, there is a point I would like to make, regarding these JD/AH threads (some of which have been deleted). There are so many comments where posters say something along the lines of “they’re both as bad as each other, both of them are awful”, etc.

It seems to me that these posters are almost annoyed he “won” the lawsuit? I can’t imagine for a second if it was the other way round anyone would be saying that. The threads would be full of support for her, saying how she was a victim of such an awful man. No one would blame her for taking drugs, drinking excessively, etc.

Yes, he clearly suffers from substance abuse. Most actors/celebrities do- it kind of goes with the territory of being famous. The relationship was evidently toxic.

However, he absolutely did the right thing by bringing this to court. She obliterated his career with lies after lies after lies. He absolutely needed to clear his name for the sake of himself and his family.

She is an absolutely awful, evil woman. She used him for monetary gain and trailed his name through the mud when it didn’t work out for her. She lied repeatedly and made an absolutely mockery of DV victims across the globe. She promised she’d donate money to two different charities then kept it all for herself. She acted (badly) throughout the entire trial. There wasn’t a single point in the trial where I felt empathy or sympathy for her. No one came and supported her, other than her sister who didn’t even look like she wanted to be there.

None of this would have happened if they’d just divorced amicably and they both moved on. She kept going back for more and more- she wanted more fame, more sympathy, more money. She got greedy and it bit her on the arse.

The verdict today was fair. Her career being over is absolutely deserved.

I am a woman and I will always support women, but I refuse to support anyone who thinks it’s appropriate to lie about DV for their own gain. It’s absolutely disgusting. It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman or not.

I also don’t feel bad for her lawyers, either. They knew who they were taking on. Amber went through enough teams beforehand; there were plenty of red flags. They came hugely unprepared, and made mistakes I wouldn’t expect to see from someone who had just passed their bar exams. Objecting to your own question? Saying “I’m trying… I’m trying” in the middle of questioning? Constantly objecting like a broken record with absolutely no basis? Wasting hours and hours of time on absolute nonsense (ie asking a man about every single makeup product a woman might be wearing on her face?)

JD’s team were incredible. Very talented, professional but still managed to come across as likeable to the general public. Camille, Ben and the team did an astounding job and I hope this win brings them further success for the future. It was a masterclass.

Here here !!

FloydPepper · 02/06/2022 09:38

TimeTravelSickness · 02/06/2022 09:30

Can you link as I would like to report and open a discussion with mumsnet about this?

Not without the ability to advanced search on my previous user name, sorry.

and I know that sounds like “I can’t show you so it didn’t happen”

Bouledeneige · 02/06/2022 09:38

It is depressing that the case has become so divisive here and amongst women. When the news first broke about their divorce and her accusations of abuse I automatically assumed them to be true and I thought how depressing it was that another powerful man was exposed to be an abuser. But I did start to wonder after seeing her awful deposition before the London trial where her testimony and attitude was so 'off'. And then following this trial to see what a poor witness she was, I changed my mind and came to believe that he was the victim of abuse in the relationship.

As people take positions and sides its easy to gather evidence that supports your own view and prejudice and to disregard elements that don't reinforce your view/prejudice. My DD21 was following it too and I said to her at one point - have you thought about what it means if we aren't right and JD is an abuser? Because we do all need to question our filters and assumptions. In this case just watching them both give evidence (for hours on end) gave ample food for thought.

One point that has been made is that the social media/TIkTok gaming of the trial will have influenced younger people against the Me Too movement. That may well have been the motivation of the far right and the bot accounts who were active throughout the trial. But talking to my DD she absolutely understands what DV and emotional abuse is, she's a fervent Me Too supporter, she understands how women are disadvantaged and often powerless against powerful men and how systems and society reinforces misogny. But she didn't believe Amber Heard. And that through this case we also understand that life doesn't fall into the neat boxes of good v evil and men v women.

Its what I've come to realise as a 'TERF'. I have really uncomfortable bed fellows - from the Conservative party and the Daily Mail, to the Alt-right and Religious right wing in America. I hate the fact that my views on the fact that you can't change sex are shared with them. But it doesn't mean I won't continue to hold them and challenge them and lend my support to those who are crucified for that belief in their professional and everyday lives.

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