Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

Porcupineintherough · Today 09:34
@HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend I don't think millions of women become parents every year through surrogacy. At least, I hope they don't.

I didn’t say every year, it’s irrelevant, your comment is incredibly crass!

You don’t remember anything about the threads that you could find them using google?

Really? I’m sorry you’ve had such rotten luck with men but this question is insulting to every lovely, kind man in the world, of which there are MANY.

They can cry me a river. I have seen too much and I no longer care.

@FloydPepper I’ve just done a search on google with mumsnet and one of my old usernames, and my old posts came up on the threads I’d posted on, so you should be able to find them. I wish mumsnet would fix the advanced search function though, it’s annoyingly.

When anyone, woman or man, looks at Depps history, and comes to the conclusion that he’s a good man, it’s worrying.

The question at the trial wasn't "Is JD a good man?"

It was "Did AH lie?"

The jury decided she had.

I’m more worried about the poster feeling how she does, than the ‘lovely men that may feel insulted’. My partner is a lovely man, he wouldn’t feel insulted, just desperately sad that someone has been so badly treated in the past that this is how she feels. Lovely men don’t think ‘poor me’.

I’m more worried about the poster feeling how she does, than the ‘lovely men that may feel insulted’. My partner is a lovely man, he wouldn’t feel insulted, just desperately sad that someone has been so badly treated in the past that this is how she feels. Lovely men don’t think ‘poor me’.

This. I doubt any of the good men in my life would be insulted either. Why would they be?

I’m talking about all the people on various social media and in real life that are calling him a good guy.

Whether Amber Heard lied is a matter of opinion. The UK case still stands. It’s difficult to know the truth in any situation where they were the only 2 in the room or his friends were present or her sister was present as there will be potential lies and bias. I think it’s weird to side with anyone and say they lied or told the truth about a certain incident when you’re not there to see it. But I certainly wouldn’t be standing up for a nan with Depps history and calling him a good man. That’s just crazy.

*man

Social media is really gross this morning... so many men geniuinely seem to believe that MeToo exists to falsely accuse men and that women falsely accusing men is a worse problem than VAWG.

I mean, it's bonkers. We're not living in some Victorian world where the only agency a woman against a wrong is to 'ruin a man's life' through a false accusation and her evil, manipulative womanly ways, and frankly at any time in history a woman is more likely to come off worse going public with even a true accusation than a man is to have actually abused or assaulted a woman.

I admire her beauty although I don't think it's a comment on her value as a human, just as my looks are not a comment on mine. I'm also financially successful and quite happily had a baby without the father being present. Her unpopularity is because people saw through her as a human being, nothing more, no comment at all on the characteristics you mention.

I’m not surprised the jury reached that conclusion but I am surprised that so many posters here are so fervently determined to believe AH. She was shown to be dishonest and unfortunately once you’ve found to have lied about one area it taints the whole testimony.

I don’t personally believe that every person who alleges domestic abuse or sexual offence should be automatically “believed” but my position is that every allegation should be taken seriously. If you start from the position of “belief” you’re always looking for the evidence that supports your view rather than seeing where the evidence takes you. The other issue around “belief” and the initial allegation is the ease in which a perpetrator can manipulate an investigation by “getting in first”.

Don't worry about me. I got that covered. Worry about yourself. You are no more safe than I am. Amber thought she was safe, loved and cared for. Look at how that turned out and she is only one example of many. Even the men who don't abuse or take advantage of women's hard work, benefit from those who do. The bar is in hell, so they look good by comparison. Meanwhile the standards for women are so high that if a woman acts like a "good man" she'd still be considered lazy and uncaring.

I have seen so many posts on this forum start with "my partner/husband/fiance is a wonderful man, but......" or "First off, I'd like to say that we have a good relationship, but there is just one thing."
Then after a little probing by commenters, it turns out that there is more than "just that one thing" going on and the aforementioned "good man" is not such a good guy after all.

Men in this society only look good/caring, because they are not as bad as the worst of men.

It's very obvious that not many people have any experience with a really toxic relationship. So they need a baddie and a victim. But it has to be a proper baddie and a proper victim. Anything else does not compute. The roles get decided on personal and subjective convictions,biases ,agendas and experiences. Then they look for confirmation.

The issue is this case is that there is no perfect victim or perfect perpetrator because AH and JD have been both at one time or another, in some form. This is why this is so divisive. People looking for a black and white answer , a definite victim and a definite perpetrator, when the whole thing is a murky,toxic, swampy ,festering grey.

Hopefully in future the bar will be raised for people to be cancelled and ostracised on the basis of mere accusation without sufficient proof. In our current cancel culture, this is something everyone should want. I am also glad that male victims of domestic abuse will be taken more seriously in future. Johnny Depp has done a good thing in that regard.

I do agree with some of your post. The bar does need to be raised. There are truly good men out there but I’m not here to argue for them. I hope you are doing ok.

As long as I can still live indepently and don't have to have men in my personal life, I'll be okay. LIke I said, I just don't need the reminder of relaity, because I have never forgotten it.

No. The remit of this case was did she lie and defame him with malicious intent? Not, was the relationship toxic?

Everyone in the court could see the relationship was toxic.

But Amber said FIRST originally that she was the victim of DV

It was for her to then prove it. She didn't say 'oh our relationship was toxic and brought out the worst in both of us and we both suffered'. No.

She said 'I was physically abused by JD who is an abuser' and in the case of the WP she went further yet and accused him of sexual violence.

She made a statement that the op-ed wasn't about JD, only to later admit in court that it was about it him.

SHE was the person who first made the terms about a victim vs perpetrator.

She kept lying in court. Her photographic evidence was manipulated with photo editing software.

She set out to ruin him. No grey there.