Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

So explain what you meant about it always being about women and men .

Regardless of anything else, Depp is known to have sent horrendous texts and has a history of violent behaviour amongst other things. Yet, he’s being presented as a gentleman, a hero, a nice guy. Even if you think Amber is a terrible person, I can’t get my head around Depp being portrayed as a good man. It this obsession we seem to have with having a good and a bad person, taking sides, picking a team. No one in their right mind can say Depp is a good man, regardless of their thoughts on Amber. Yet they do.

@Unsure33 There is absolutely no point me personally trying to explain the intricacies of sex based violence to you. I would absolutely recommend you do some reading about it, but I know you won't.

However - I am a lesbian and I have actually been abused by a woman, so I am well aware women can be abusive. It's risible for you to presume that just because someone has an informed feminist perspective about violence and abuse, they somehow think all women are perfect angels. There is no way you are in a place to have an actual conversation about this with me, you've made that clear from your posts, but perhaps one day you'll be more open to reflecting on the reality of how sex shapes men and women's differing experiences of violence.

@TimeTravelSickness This. I'm baffled by people's weird assumption that having a feminist perspective = being some kind of superfan of AH. I've literally never seen one of her movies, and she seems toxic and unpleasant to me.

Doesn't make Depp any less abusive, though.

I can't believe people on here actually believed her. Thank god the jury could see what (most) of us could.

The verdict is not at fault here. The verdict won't kill women. AH was a liar and it is her alone who has caused such massive damage here.

I say that as someone who went with my husband to get my daughter and her children out of the marital home and away from her abusive husband. Also as someone who had a brother who was abused by his wife. I've read numerous books abiout DA and met many victims.

I believe JD.

@Innocenta so ìf you are not saying that we should believe AH because she is a woman, why should we believe her? Because as far as I can see she has shown herself to be a pathological liar. And I say that as someone who is not a JD fan and came to the case believing her as a kind of default position.

Amber was abused

@Porcupineintherough I wasn't planning to reply here again as I think the thread is being deleted? But it's not that I think everything she says is true, nor that she's a good person. Nasty people can be abused.

But he used the courts to continue his abuse of her. He did overwhelmingly have the power in the relationship (sex, age, money, clout). And I don't believe it was defamatory for her to describe his treatment of her as abusive.

I think those going on about the texts are focussing on it too much.

I’m sure I have old text messages to friends on my phone wishing my cheating abusive ex would burn in hell or something nasty would happen to him. I was very hurt and angry at the time.

But I have never been violent or aggressive ever.

People can say all sorts when angry or hurt.

If the verdict had gone the other way an abuser would have successfully used the courts to continue to abuse. They’re both as bad as each other.

@Blossomtoes That's an inaccurate description of what occurred.

The verdict makes no sense whatsoever, and I believe this is what happens when you put Joe the plumber and Maggie the 86 yr old grandma on the stand (with all my respects to plumbers and grandmas), jurors are not trained to make legal decisions, sorry but I'd rather have a judge (aka law professional) for the same reason If I go to see a doctor I want someone with a degree and medical experience making my health assessment and telling me what's wrong with me.

Yesterday, the case’s verdict came in, finding that Heard defamed Depp, acting with “malice,” when she described herself as a victim of domestic abuse. Bizarrely, the same jury found that one of Depp’s lawyer’s defamed Heard when he said that her account of abuse was “a hoax.”

WTF?

But AH was also an abuser. And just as bad, if not worse.

The issue was her op-ed focussed on being a victim
of abuse, which in most people’s minds is someone on the receiving end of abuse. She never talked about them being mutually abusive with each other, and that’s why she defamed him. It was the story she told.

Tried and true feminist here. The fact that I acknowledge proven lies doesn't change that. What is truly anti-feminist is taking a stance that refuses to acknowledge that a woman has told lies when it is blatantly obvious that she has just because feminism. Women are stronger than that.

I've followed this closely since before this court case even began. People have been actively trying to clear Johnny's name for years.

I can't believe this actually needs saying but no, the result does not mean women cannot say they've been a victim of DV, it means they can't (although note jury's can't set precedent) make up DV claims to punish their ex partner's and try and further their career

I thought this thread was deleted.