Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

"I don't know the answer but I'm not sure where you're going with this? I've no issue with Heard being held accountable for her own actions, but likewise, Depp's behaviour is his responsibility and his alone, no?"

Being in a narcissist toxic relationship myself, I found it very hard to function day to day. I was often late to work, off sick, so through my lens (which I appreciate is unique to me) I can see it

Not at all. It was all aimed at manly.

Quite

apologies

It is known that bringing two dysfunctional people together can often mean that they destabilise and bring the worst In each other. They can also bring new/different dysfunctional levels to the relationship. Very often those behaviours are seen as passion and true love and all that bullshit.

JD has been managed for years , by his ex,his staff, doctors,professionals etc. That's why he appeared to be functioning.

It's also why AH appeared to be fairly normal and functioning herself when in other relationships . A lot more than JD in fact and she never needed his high levels of "management ".

Obviously, it's not AH's fault for not having the tools,experience and stability to manage him, especially when she was struggling with her own demons and issues. In my opinion, I don't actually think he would've gone for her if she did.

So calling men "rapist enablers" is provocative, but also comes from a place of truth given porn is made for men and there are definite issues with being sure the women involve fully consented.

If men weren't "rapist enablers" they would not want to watch it. They'd also get more involved in teaching boys about consent and trying to discourage use of prostitutes.

Instead most men either 1) actively don't give a shit they might be watching women being raped 2) turn a blind eye and choose to avoid thinking about it or engaging with the debate (all men watch it/women watch it too) 3) support choosy choice feminism and make it womens fault if they are raped

In terms of the JD debate, I don't see many people apart from feminists discussing the wider issues around how he talks about women and the fact that he's a pretty violent, substance abusing human. Its all swept under the carpet of "Amber lied". She may very well have done but that doesn't make him a great example of manhood and I'm fed up of the absolute glee that he won.

JD has been managed for years , by his ex,his staff, doctors,professionals etc. That's why he appeared to be functioning.
It's also why AH appeared to be fairly normal and functioning herself when in other relationships . A lot more than JD in fact and she never needed his high levels of "management ".
Interesting, thank you.

"So calling men "rapist enablers" is provocative, but also comes from a place of truth given porn is made for men and there are definite issues with being sure the women involve fully consented.

If men weren't "rapist enablers" they would not want to watch it. They'd also get more involved in teaching boys about consent and trying to discourage use of prostitutes. "

This. This i believe is the ingrained stuff from birth.

Although my DH is a survivor, he was also raised in a very patriarchal household. For me it's like juggling plates.

Me. I call him out on it every fucking single time when I sniff the old P

He can't help it,but he's learning.

He also hates porn.

"Those words, 'according to Amber' requires more or less automatic disbelief. He was always notorious with time keeping."

What really pisses me off about this is she knew he had ADHD. On voice recordings she gave him his adhd drug. He would be a lot more compliant afterwards.

My DH does and trust me, when he says I'll be "two minutes" forget it. It absolutely fucking infuriates me sometimes but I have to check myself, just as I have ASD and his incessant small talk will be met with quite abrupt responses.

I'm sure Hollywood knew the man had this condition too since the allowances but it's now been portrayed differently.

ADHD also shouldn't be flung around on this case like he had a temporary problem. It's an underlying thing that when it all goes tits up then you'll see the end result in the media. Just the end result.

Right, I assumed he and Vanessa were married because he settled in France a long time with their children, but no. Yes she was huge in France and French speaking countries, a successful singer as well as actor - its rare for someone to achieve both.
What I'm saying is, women in these and other industries take it for granted they won't get anymore proper work once they hit 40, bar a few exceptions. It is male entitlement, and the way of the world, for JD to have continued working past this age-- whatever the reasons were for the industry to have dumped him.

I mean male entitlement for him to assume work would continue for him, especially considering his alcohol problem, which ravages the looks. Meanwhile women are there drinking their 8 glasses of water a day and keeping themselves looking as young as feasibly possible in certain industries in the Hope the work will keep coming

"Meanwhile women are there drinking their 8 glasses of water a day and keeping themselves looking as young as feasibly possible in certain industries"

I don't understand why they do this? Who is telling them to do it? They get roasted online for being fake as well and I think the same

But as per my previous post:
Helen mirren and Judy dench.

Judy dench is my woman icon.

Hollywood is so obviously male dominated Londondreams you don't even need to say that and the poster you are responding to knows that but doesn't care and wants to troll

"I mean male entitlement for him to assume work would continue for him"

But it didn't.

Hers did because she thought she was entitled.

She claimed he had the power. That's bullshit. She did using a movement for her own gain. Her career continued.

Money and power are USELESS in a relationship with a narc. She's claiming that but her career continued he is didn't. She had the power, for years.

Oh yes, he seems gutted and traumatised.

Misc 6 years for him

AHs career she's being putting herself out there. She's enjoyed it last 6 years

He couldn't. He didn't publicise coming to the UK. He was in Sheffield ffs on day one.

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I mean, Sheffield...not LA not NY. He's was in Sheffield one of the biggest Hollywood stars ever.

Her? She's done a DDD. Doubled down on the defamation statement.

Typical narc

Misc* * im also slightly aghast that you as a feminist, have ignored all I've posted as a survivor myself, plus all the other stuff I've posted.

You come back with links to tabloid crap and ignore or even engage that a woman had been through anything as Amber heard is your spokes person for women.

She fucking ain't mine.

Your icon (who is truly amazing woman) was told she doesn't have the face for movies, has struggled with her body image and doesn't take any role for granted. In fact, she thinks of every role as a last role and doesn't expect a new one.

"Slight" difference in attitudes don't you think?

I really doubt I would be going for a concert while waiting for verdict/if my abuser will"be found guilty". Seems it's not suspicious for Johnny but it is for rest of us

Hope they get something out of appeal. It ain't over till it's over, you can't just abuse women and then toss them aside like garbage.

"Your icon (who is truly amazing woman) was told she doesn't have the face for movies, has struggled with her body image and doesn't take any role for granted. In fact, she thinks of every role as a last role and doesn't expect a new one.

"Slight" difference in attitudes don't you think?"

Doesn't matter (well it does, course it fucking does that's a woman thing we all deal with) she's a fucking ICON. Also she supports JD. As an older, experienced lady in Hollywood you're right she's wrong as you live that life and she doesn't like many many many others over JDs time in Hollywood.

I can say the same for you given I have plenty of abuse that I been through to unearth. Yet it's precisely why I am more likely to believe her, because I seen how everyone turns against you simply because they don't like you and try to deny anything is happening because it isn't convinient for them or they blame you equally for it. Just because we been through abuse doesn't automatically mean any of our words can be final. I chose to believe women and in AH case, she had enough evidence IMO. And that's all it is, our opinions

Hmm that's a little patronising about Sheffield. I imagine they were equally bemused at being expected to host a fading movie star with a history of self control issues.

Floisme 😂

Misc. So you're in the same position as me. Shit arsehole men. I agree. I fucking totally agree.

But
I met a man who was subjected to a female narc. Now Ive experienced a make narc. He experienced a female narc his ex went for me too, big time. That's why I can absolutely see through AH