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Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Miscfeminista · 31/05/2022 14:28

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

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TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:15

Man I think I get where you're coming from but the term MRA immediately gets my hackles up. It's not well received!

#menToo is different in my eyes.

To me MRA is the equivalent to Misandry.

Feminism is about equality.

I am no expert by the way just saying how I view things.

FrippEnos · 03/06/2022 13:16

Miscfeminista
Ok the MRA trolls need to go.

The sad thing is that these alleged MRAs etc are only on this thread trying to have a discussion because one very aggressive feminist decided to shutdown a long running series of threads on AIBU.

StormzyinaTCup · 03/06/2022 13:18

The pledge form is a bit ‘odd’, it hasn’t been signed by her, and it includes in the payment plan donations made by other parties (EM) which she later on stated in the trial were additional payments outside of her $3.5m. It begs the question if this form was thrown together by the ACLU for bottom covering purposes for this trial.

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 13:21

Except there is no such thing as misandry because in world of disproportionate power on all levels, some women hating all men is completely irrelevant and has 0 impact on culture. Not to mention there are not many women like that in the first place-women being rightly pissed that most men are rapist enablers at the very least is not hating all men for no reason, it's hating very specific men that do not deserve to be praised. Now look at misogyny and it's impact-we are breathing it. It's an everyday thing not even being contested anymore. Absolutley incomparable

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TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:23

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I knew by the headline what that'd be and wasn't wrong. I've avoided MSM etc throughout the trial and focused on watching it live, read the court docs, listened to HOURS of recorded audio (my god it was tedious at times but I'm injured after a horse riding accident so I have a good excuse 😁) I've purposely not gone for any articles like that, from either side as I don't trust them and they invoke crap online that's meaningless and misinformed from both sides.

Example. I engaged with someone online and pointed out the hours of audio online to refute their argument. Their reply "what audio?"

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 13:27

"It begs the question if this form was thrown together by the ACLU for bottom covering purposes for this trial."

Even if it was, I think that would indicate charity's trust to some degree

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LetitiaLeghorn · 03/06/2022 13:28

Agree. If she was stealing than it's a poor steal because a) that money was hers anyway and b) she donated close to 1.5mil all together. Why would she give anything then if she wanted the money?

No one is saying she's stealing. Are they? She doesn't have to give a penny of her money. And she could stop payments at any time and say she doesn't want to give anymore.
What people are questioning is saying that you've given $7m when actually you've only promised $7m. I imagine that you're involved or support a small, local charity. Maybe a refuge. Say someone told everyone they donated £100pm to the charity and people gave them kudos for that. But you knew they were actually only donating £10pm. The £10 donation is really appreciated but it would be galling to see them taking credit for donating £100.

TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:29

"Except there is no such thing as misandry because in world of disproportionate power on all levels, some women hating all men is completely irrelevant and has 0 impact on culture. Not to mention there are not many women like that in the first place-women being rightly pissed that most men are rapist enablers at the very least is not hating all men for no reason, it's hating very specific men that do not deserve to be praised. Now look at misogyny and it's impact-we are breathing it. It's an everyday thing not even being contested anymore. Absolutley incomparable"

I agree btw. Sorry I am not very eloquent when I speak/type but from the MRA side Misandry is a thing but that's not feminism.

I think man is likely not a MRA in how I view one. Like I said my hackles go up when I hear that term.

I don't think I'm making sense now but I know what I mean in my head.

LetitiaLeghorn · 03/06/2022 13:33

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 13:27

"It begs the question if this form was thrown together by the ACLU for bottom covering purposes for this trial."

Even if it was, I think that would indicate charity's trust to some degree

I don't believe they would have forged documents. There's no reason to believe the letter from Elon Musk isn't genuine. It's weird he was organising her affairs, though. Surely, even if he helped her write the letter, she'd have signed and sent it herself. And why didn't he do the same with the childrens hospital?

ObjectionHearsay · 03/06/2022 13:39

FrippEnos · 03/06/2022 13:16

Miscfeminista
Ok the MRA trolls need to go.

The sad thing is that these alleged MRAs etc are only on this thread trying to have a discussion because one very aggressive feminist decided to shutdown a long running series of threads on AIBU.

I miss those threads, I found them balanced, and the discussion was going well.

People were of different opinions but it rarely descended in to a bun fight and if it did, it was brought back on point. We even detailed our own threads with discussions about films, and our mixed ages. Was a nice place to be.

TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:47

"Even if it was, I think that would indicate charity's trust to some degree"

I think they absolutely did trust her. They toned down and removed parts of her Op-Ed to try and ensure that it didn't look like it was written about JD. Of course we now know it was as she admitted it under oath.

She's let them down and they've lost countless donations now and receiving vitriol online.

They could save their reputation. The public appreciates when people admit they could have been misled, far more than doubling down.

Also breaking WB have cut Amber from aquaman2 and Disneyworld have reinstated Jack Sparrow holographic thingy, strangely the part "this is the day you almost caught jack sparrow"

That's as close to an apology he will get from them.

Sorry for the ShitTok link but this guy is quite fair to middling on the topic:

vm.tiktok.com/ZMNerdj4R/?k=1

Manlyman · 03/06/2022 13:59

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Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 14:04

"He and his supporters say he filed the suit to clear his name, but it has put more terrible behavior of his on the record than any scrubbed and ghostwritten op-ed could do. In fact, if you spend enough time inhaling the sulfurous fumes of the Depp-Heard live stream, what it starts to resemble most is a high-budget, general-admission form of revenge porn, an act in which the person with the upper hand in a relationship forces the other to be complicit in the sharing and dissemination of raw, vulnerable, literally sensational moments for the delectation of an unseen audience. One of the hallmarks of revenge porn is the way it freezes its victim in time, a plight that Heard summoned at the end of her direct examination. “I want to move on with my life,” she said. “I want to move on, I want to move on, I want Johnny to move on, too. I want him to leave me alone.” But the consequences of his legal action against her will never leave her alone. This is who she is now—the victim of an unprecedented Internet pile-on, a bruised face on an iPhone, a woman who makes people laugh when she cries.

Johnny Depp cannot be frozen in time in the same way. He has been a household name since Amber Heard was a toddler, and, though it can be difficult to remember now, he was once the most wondrously idiosyncratic brand of megastar..."

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Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 14:11

"In a sense, though, Depp may be permanently excused from reality. This may help to explain why he wanted this trial, why he got it, and why, against all odds, he has a decent chance of winning it. In another, more disturbing sense—whether in the adoring throngs of his fans outside the courthouse each morning or the inescapable #AmberHeardIsALiar memes on every platform—Depp’s reality has been made our own. “She’s begging for total global humiliation... She’s gonna get it,” he said in a text from 2016. It might have seemed grandiose at the time."

www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-is-not-as-complicated-as-you-may-think

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Manlyman · 03/06/2022 14:16

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Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 14:22

"Call me overly sensitive but when a feminist says that I belong to a sex which is so bad that even the few 'good' examples out there are only good in the sense that they aren't as horrible as all the rest it doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside."

You are absolutley overly sensitive to feel threatened by calling out mens bad behaviour. It shouldn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, it should make you question your behaviour and those of men around you for a change.

"Maybe you can visit reality for a while, just to see what it's like."

You tried by reading feminist sub so that's a start, maybe try understanding posts that don't feel nice and fuzzy next time.

Also learn how to fucking read properly before attempting to gaslight

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FloydPepper · 03/06/2022 14:23

“No such thing as misandry”
”most men are rapist enablers”

Jesus Christ!

FloydPepper · 03/06/2022 14:23

“No such thing as misandry”
”most men are rapist enablers”

Jesus Christ!

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 14:29

FloydPepper · 03/06/2022 14:23

“No such thing as misandry”
”most men are rapist enablers”

Jesus Christ!

Most men watch porn, that should tell you enough for starters.

enabler - a person who encourages or enables negative or self-destructive behaviour in another

  • a person or thing that makes something possible
How is men not calling each other out and on contrary, having boys clubs and being demanders of sex industry"services"not rapist enablers?
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TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 14:29

Let's give man a chance here. He's back and seems to me wants to engage - if there's anywhere to do it, it's here.

TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 14:31

And would be helpful in the context of the thread and all the implications of the case?

ldontWanna · 03/06/2022 14:32

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Out of curiosity, how many times have you plonked in the middle of a MRA/incel/male dominated forum and told them to be nice,tone it down and defended women?

Manlyman · 03/06/2022 14:41

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Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 14:50

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