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Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Miscfeminista · 31/05/2022 14:28

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

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Robin233 · 03/06/2022 11:32

@AdamRyan
So all very appalling
How can this happen in a first world country?
One doesn't cancel out the other.
These situations both need addressing.

Sandra1984 · 03/06/2022 11:34

@CooooCoooo No I wasn't there but there were multiple people who were there whose testimony went against Amber's. For Amber to be telling the truth everyone else has to be lying. The evidence also has to be lying.

Nobody saw Amber getting raped, and nobody saw what happened to Johnys finger, his contradictory statements (saying one thing to his doctor another to the court) show he probably doesn't remember as he was too high. To be honest I'm getting a little bit bored of the "I know exactly what happened" crowd. Unless you were a fly in the wall you don't. Neither do I. There's witness who said X and witnesses who said Y. One justice system came with one verdict and another with a different one. Next thing we know is he has another court appearance in July for beating a crew member. Go figure.

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 11:39

Ok the MRA trolls need to go. To claim on feminist sub that MRAs are equivalent of feminism is just too much now. I know when one person says ridiculous shit others feel invited to pile on but get a grip. You clearly don’t understand what feminism is(about 90% of posters)and all this petty crap about how we should not dare to criticise another woman for being anti-feminist and call another victim of DV describes men trying to tell us how to talk perfectly.

Men can be feminist allies at best and if they want to improve their lives they better not blame it on women because they cooked this shit up with other men so they better figure it out with them too instead of derailing womens live further. Feminism is NOT a movement for men. They indirectly benefit from feminism but in no way do we need to prioritise men in WOMENS MOVEMENT. Unlike MRAs we don’t feel the world has wronged us because we can’t abuse prostituted women more easily or because-men die. Like are you effing kidding me?

And to whoever said something about me invalidating someone’s trauma-I have not. I said it was hard for me to believe someone was scared of AH after we saw violent outbursts in court material from JD.

Well anyway I think I’ll go back to my offline cave soon, this MRA and whataboutery shit is just so worn out

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Robin233 · 03/06/2022 11:43

@Manlyman

What this case has shown to most people is that men can abused and that women can lie about it. If MRAs are highlighting that good luck to them.
^^^^^
Agree.
I just don't get the man hating.
Surely it's just people.
In this case ah a person lied repeatedly causing enormous damage ti jd - a person.
Ah called jd 'a baby'
I mean if that's not trying to get a rise what is?
Surely no one would tried and deliberately winded up someone who physically and sexually abuses them?
She had the money to walk away.
Not like a lot of genuine abuse vitamins.
It doesn't make sense.
And ti add I rather liked her in Aqua man and was not a particular jd fan.
I feel differently now.

Aspiringmatriarch · 03/06/2022 11:46

This article sums it up pretty well IMO.

www.readthepresentage.com/p/johnny-depp-amber-heard?s=r

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 11:48

“Surely no one would tried and deliberately winded up someone who physically and sexually abuses them?”

Women live with their rapists and abusers for YEARS. You can bet that some get angry and try to fight back in one way or another, whether that’s in the middle of the fight and rape or during”quiet times”

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Floisme · 03/06/2022 11:50

Sorry for my 'interruption' and I'm not particularly riled.

Apology accepted. Now I won't be responding to you again because it's women's opinions of this case that I'm interested in. Have a nice day.

LetitiaLeghorn · 03/06/2022 12:06

A jury member has been on Tik Tok to give an insight into their decision.

For him the point where he decided that everything she said was suspect was over the pledge / donation. That lie might not have bothered the British, but it did the Americans!

Porcupineintherough · 03/06/2022 12:13

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 11:48

“Surely no one would tried and deliberately winded up someone who physically and sexually abuses them?”

Women live with their rapists and abusers for YEARS. You can bet that some get angry and try to fight back in one way or another, whether that’s in the middle of the fight and rape or during”quiet times”

More to the point in toxic, disfunctional relationships it's not uncommon for both partners to constantly wind up each other to create the chaotic dynamic (argue/fight/reconcile/rinse and repeat) they are both addicted to.

Sandra1984 · 03/06/2022 12:20

LetitiaLeghorn · 03/06/2022 12:06

A jury member has been on Tik Tok to give an insight into their decision.

For him the point where he decided that everything she said was suspect was over the pledge / donation. That lie might not have bothered the British, but it did the Americans!

I always found the "she didn't donated the money" ridiculous. If I buy a house I give a fat deposit then pay it in instalments throughout the years (mortgage), if someone asks me If I bought the house I say "yes" (despite not being fully paid). She never lied, she gave a big deposit and sign papers compromising on paying that amount in full. I don't see the "lie". Then she got hit with a big defamation suit where she had no other option than to defend herself (but that's another story).

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Sunshinegirl82 · 03/06/2022 12:39

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 11:48

“Surely no one would tried and deliberately winded up someone who physically and sexually abuses them?”

Women live with their rapists and abusers for YEARS. You can bet that some get angry and try to fight back in one way or another, whether that’s in the middle of the fight and rape or during”quiet times”

If, hypothetically, JD was the one being abused, wouldn't this also be true of him?

TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 12:40

@Sandra1984

She could've said that from the start though but only threw the mortgage line when under cross trying to gaslight the jury that pledge and donate were the same when all previous interviews and articles she said she donated. and she hasn't given a big chunk Depp and Musk did, Musk by a much higher amount.

She said in court that Musks is now not part of it but there's emails with ACLU where at the time she took credit for them.

She's inconsistent at best or she lied.

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 12:43

@Manlyman so let me get this straight: you come on feminist sub, you have no interest in being an ally, you don't even know what feminism stands for, you don't understand misogyny in MRA circles and on top of that you criticise other womens opinions on matter you are statistically not very likely to suffer from or have gone through(as well as opining that I probably don't know much about feminism either). To add sprinkle of shit, you add you"have no interest in abusing prostituted women"(as if that makes you a gentleman, "not your thing"jfc)nor make any relations of male sexual entitlement with MRAs. Why are you here again? I at least don't go on MRAs threads and talk about feminism(tho they would benefit from some reality check), what you are doing now is mansplaining. Bye.

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prh47bridge · 03/06/2022 12:49

Returning to this, and just to say I'm trying to look at it how I think the jury did...

Untrue. She saw an ENT after the relationship ended but wasn't allowed to bring it in to her testimony.

I'm not surprised. That is not contemporaneous evidence, nor does it prove that Depp was responsible for any fracture to her nose. If she had sought medical attention immediately, that would have been admissible.

If you read the texts saying "When I told him he kicked you he cried. It was disgusting", referring to him as a lost little boy who just wants to get better and saying this will be a turning point, as agreeing with the abuser's version of events to placate them, that's your prerogative. It's as clear as day to me however that it doesn't fit that picture.

That is the case put by Depp in the UK. I'm not saying I agree with it. Having been in an emotionally abusive relationship and attempted to placate my then partner by agreeing with a version of events that I knew was untrue (admitting to something I had not done), I see that as possible but, of course, I am not saying that is definitely what happened.

She thought he might have done, she never claimed to know exactly what happened. It was continually brought up as showing she lied and she was asked where the photos of a smashed phone were. Depp admitted in UK court he had indeed smashed up a phone.

Agreed re Heard. However, Depp did not say admit to the UK court that he had smashed up a phone. His answer when questioned was that it was possible he had, but he only remembered ripping the phone off the wall. You are right that Heard only suggested that the injury may have been caused when he smashed the phone. The evidence from the apartment block manager that there was no smashed phone won't have helped her in that, regardless of how Depp's finger was injured, it suggests her evidence that there was a smashed phone was untrue. I would be surprised if that played any significant role in the verdict. I think her insistence that she has donated $7M to charity when she clearly has not probably played a much bigger role in the jury deciding they couldn't believe her.

"I headbutted you in the fucking forehead. That doesn't break a nose." I'd say that's conclusive. And it shows Depp’s lies.

Disagree. Approaching this from the point of view of the courts, it is persuasive, but it is not conclusive.

There are pictures clearly showing her injuries. I agree two were identical, but they do show her bruises. Yes there was doubt cast on them, but there was also an expert rebuttal to that. Amber's experts were consistently more qualified in their fields as well. I'm not sure 'metadata grandpa' or whatever he was being called, is someone I'd put a huge amount of stock by.

Bryan Neumeister, the expert called by Depp, is the CEO of USA Forensic, which has given evidence in over 600 cases at federal and state levels, including homicide and money laundering. I don't know how many of those cases Neumeister personally appeared in. His company is certified to give expert evidence on audio, video, computer, cell phone and cell tower. He is an expert in digital videography and digital photography.

Julian Ackert, Heard's expert, has experience in consulting and project management in the technology and litigation industries. I can't find any evidence of similar certifications for his company or that he has acted as an expert witness previously. Of course, absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. He may be better qualified than Neumeister, but I can't find evidence of that.

Heard's position was that these are two separate photos taken under different lighting conditions. Her expert was forced to concede that they have the same filename and were taken on the same date at the same time. He was unable to say which was the original - the one showing clear bruising or the one where it is not clear that there is any bruise. I suspect that, given the expert evidence, the jury discounted the photos.

LetitiaLeghorn · 03/06/2022 12:51

Sandra1984 · 03/06/2022 12:20

I always found the "she didn't donated the money" ridiculous. If I buy a house I give a fat deposit then pay it in instalments throughout the years (mortgage), if someone asks me If I bought the house I say "yes" (despite not being fully paid). She never lied, she gave a big deposit and sign papers compromising on paying that amount in full. I don't see the "lie". Then she got hit with a big defamation suit where she had no other option than to defend herself (but that's another story).

To be honest that was a poor example AH chose. If you buy the house it is yours, with all the liability and upkeep and taxes, and the person who sold it you gets their full amount of money. But you owe a mortgage to someone who lent you money. You don't pledge to pay the bank back and then do it on your own timescale. You have a contract with them and if you fail to make timely payments, you have the house taken off you. It bears no resemblance to AHs situation of having all the money, well before she was sued, even before she'd written the op ed, and choosing not to donate it there and then, but going on tv to say she'd actually given it away.

I used to work for a charity. If someone pledged to give us £100,000, do you think we'd have bought a new cattery or bought premises for a playgroup or ordered equipment to assist elderly people? Of course not. Because a pledge is just that, a promise. I needed the money in the charity's account before it meant anything. Pledges mean jackshit at the end of the day - as both the ACLU and LA children's hospital are finding out.

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 12:54

Sandra1984 · 03/06/2022 12:20

I always found the "she didn't donated the money" ridiculous. If I buy a house I give a fat deposit then pay it in instalments throughout the years (mortgage), if someone asks me If I bought the house I say "yes" (despite not being fully paid). She never lied, she gave a big deposit and sign papers compromising on paying that amount in full. I don't see the "lie". Then she got hit with a big defamation suit where she had no other option than to defend herself (but that's another story).

Agree. If she was stealing than it's a poor steal because a) that money was hers anyway and b) she donated close to 1.5mil all together. Why would she give anything then if she wanted the money?

"As with all of these gotchas, it looks bad until you show the tiniest shred of human interest in discovering the facts. While it’s true that Heard hasn’t donated the full amount, all evidence indicates that she intends to. In 2016, after her divorce was finalized, she entered into an agreement with the ACLU to give them the full $3.5 million over 10 years. She made the first payment but delayed the rest because Depp started trying to sue her into oblivion (she says she’s spent $6 million on her legal defense so far; who knows how much more it will cost to appeal to Virginia's verdict)."

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Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 12:58

"Large charity donations are routinely spread out over longer periods and representatives from the ACLU testified that Heard was transparent with them about her financial circumstances and remains committed to completing her payments. The “proven lie” here amounts to a relatively minor misstatement: She said “I donated” when she should have said, “I pledged.”

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TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:02

"she donated close to 1.5mil all together."

She hasn't, Musk did most of it then in testimony said that wasn't part of it.

Her payment plan with ACLU I wouldn't trust their testimony either as their up to their necks in it with her.

Childrens hospital testified the opposite to both AH and ACLU

Depp offered to pay the full donations direct so no charity had to wait at all but she accused him of tax benefits of doing so. God forbid he got a tax benefit and the charities receive their full donations immediately. No, they should wait and be drip fed from her and now got buggar all. Only one set of people suffer for that and that's what people don't like.

Miscfeminista · 03/06/2022 13:06

"She hasn't, Musk did most of it then in testimony said that wasn't part of it."

Musk donated about 500 000 if I remember correctly, I counted in the hospital donation too as well as the inital 200 000 directly from JD. Not only did she donate herself more than that but she made other poeple donate too. How the fuck is that stealing? Charity certainly did not mind to get donation from Musk

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TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:07

Plus she played out in the media she has donated 7 million dollars, took the adulation for it.

Nit picking on words years later doesn't cut it for me.

Pledge and donate is synonymous with apples and pears. Both fruit but show someone and apple and try and convince them it's a pear. See if they believe you

TiddyTidTwo · 03/06/2022 13:09

I never said she stole misc someone else said that.

End of the day she refused direct donation from Depp and wanted it paid to her. Fair enough it's now her money to do as she pleases. If she wanted to keep it she's absolutely entitled to. Not an issue.

But she implied otherwise.

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Aspiringmatriarch · 03/06/2022 11:46

This article sums it up pretty well IMO.

www.readthepresentage.com/p/johnny-depp-amber-heard?s=r

Worth a read

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