Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

Re my comment on Camille: she is a freaking lawyer. If she knows squat about women’s rights that’s her issue, I don’t need to excuse her while she’s dragging women that were victims of DV on TV for boosting her career. It was incredibly irresponsible for her to go after AH like that, she could have done her job effectively without attacking a potential victim of DV. Her and Ben should be ashamed, the only rights they were there to advance was men’s rights. They decided to make a show out of it and encourage the pre-existing mob. They knew what they were doing.

Feminism doesn’t mean approving of every woman’s action(especially when they are intentionally anti-feminist like Camille was). Unlike MRAs and incels I’m not going to harass her and lynch her online but I don’t need to be quiet either

I don't agree re Camille. She had to be hard like that with Amber. Amber was trying to convince the jury the sky was pink and control the narrative. It wasn't going to happen. Better Camille do it than a male lawyer for obvious reasons

Also that's why JD refuses to look at her. Grey Rock.

There are a lot of us who have been through DV on here, both physical
and psychological yet I am very surprised to hear that you would be
scared by AH next to JD. I respect we all have different triggers but
this is incomprehensible to me.

I'm not surprised you are surprised.
There are many types of abuse.
There are many degrees of abuse.

It is impossible to quantify abuse.

I don't think Johnny has ever met anyone like Amber before.
I'm sure Amber has met many that are like Johnny.

It's about someones nature.

Well seems that the judge actually doesn’t have very good reviews-quite few where reviewers write she favours abusive fathers in custody matters…I was hopeful she was more informed on DV

www.therobingroom.com/virginia/Judge.aspx?id=16639#comments

https://movieweb.com/johnny-depp-heads-back-court-allegedly-punching-film-crew-member/

Well he's going back to court in July to defend ANOTHER assault claim - from a man no less.

It amuses me that everyone supporting JD conveniently forget that he has a long history of assault when drunk/on drugs. He's being accused of punching a male crew member (back in 2017 - case has been postponed from 2019 to July) on set when drunk.

He's always been a violent drunk. Even at 25, he was arrested for assaulting a male security officer on set.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/10/DEPP-STUCK/6813605509200/

And this is an interesting read of all his 90s shenanigans involving drink and a temper.

https://people.com/archive/cover-story-love-and-depp-vol-42-no-14/

Also someone who called his ex partner Paradis an 'extortionate french c**t' in texts at this trial. Because nice, kind men normally use filthy, degrading language about the mother of their children who they've long since split from...

It's perfectly believable to me that he did when drunk get violent with Heard. Given he's been so inclined for over 30 years!! She may not be likeable and certainly not a paragon of virtue but given this man has spent his whole career defending charges and law suits on violence, I don't think she made it all up. He's just good at never letting any of this stick - he's certainly had practice. Also his cronies are already all over social media now trying to defame this bloke who's brought the assault charges against him..

Drink and drugs change people and I don't think anyone who defends him would really like to be alone with him in a room when he's off his tits and pissed off about something.

She so fancied JD, don't blame her on one level, but her opening his coffee and fussing about him like a pseudo wife was cringey.

Fair point that she shouldn't be slated for it if this is a feminist board, and im neutral on JD and AH, but it wasn't her brashness that gave me the ick, it was her catering to him like a maid

@Miscfeminista There are a lot of us who have been through DV on here, both physical and psychological yet I am very surprised to hear that you would be scared by AH next to JD. I respect we all have different triggers but this is incomprehensible to me. So you have the gall to say you don't understand/believe @Onthedunes experience because it doesn't fit your narrative of 'poor Amber' but in the same breath say I would rather it ends up that a woman lied than me not believing someone about horror they went through.?

yes his past has been conveniently forgotten

and the bigger he became the more protected he was. When he attacked the crew member in 2017 he was dragged off by his security. He was turning up on set drunk, holding back filming for hours, having to be fed his lines.

this is the reason why his career was sliding not what Amber Heard wrote

never does he take responsibility for any of his actions it’s always someone else’s fault and being so indulged as he is he doesn’t have to be responsible. Blaming others is very typical for abusers and also for addicts

I’m sure most of us bring our own experiences to what we think about the verdict and in some cases it is upsetting but on a very simple level someone is innocent until proven guilty

It’s a phrase said so often it loses its meaning but JD has not been put on trial and proven guilty

The irony is you've also just described Amber because she also trashed belongings and went on alcohol and drug benders (but it was just called taking drugs and drinking when Amber did it). She is also the only one out of the two admitting to hitting him numerous times in the recordings. Yet even after all her lies were picked apart and you listened to the audio you're still so adamant that this man can't possibly be the victim.

You're obviously seeing something that I, the jury and millions of others do not so let's go through these claims together. We'll start with an easy one. Yes or no - did Depp cut off his own finger and rape her with a bottle in Australia?

@CooooCoooo You're obviously seeing something that I, the jury and millions of others do not so let's go through these claims together. We'll start with an easy one. Yes or no - did Depp cut off his own finger and rape her with a bottle in Australia?

You were not there so you don't know (and neither do I).

Feminism is for and about women. That is the point of it. And this is a thread where women are talking to other women about the Heard-Depp case. As you may have noticed, there's a lot of disagreement because women are human beings with fully rounded opinions, but what is interesting is hearing female perspectives. Of course men are free to interrupt if they so wish but it always makes me wonder what it is about women talking to each other that gets them so riled.

Anyway the last time I looked, Sandra1984 was talking to CooooCoooo so back to you.

I have read so many comments about this.
I am astounded that anyone can not see AH for who she is and her pile of lies. But @puffalo had put it so eloquently.
I absolutely agree with every word.
See below.
@puffalo

JD’s reputation isn’t done for- he will be back on top in no time. He’s a talented actor who has grown a huge fanbase, especially with a younger audience, over the past few weeks. Actors with worse scandals have made comebacks- he definitely will, too.

However, there is a point I would like to make, regarding these JD/AH threads (some of which have been deleted). There are so many comments where posters say something along the lines of “they’re both as bad as each other, both of them are awful”, etc.

It seems to me that these posters are almost annoyed he “won” the lawsuit? I can’t imagine for a second if it was the other way round anyone would be saying that. The threads would be full of support for her, saying how she was a victim of such an awful man. No one would blame her for taking drugs, drinking excessively, etc.

Yes, he clearly suffers from substance abuse. Most actors/celebrities do- it kind of goes with the territory of being famous. The relationship was evidently toxic.

However, he absolutely did the right thing by bringing this to court. She obliterated his career with lies after lies after lies. He absolutely needed to clear his name for the sake of himself and his family.

She is an absolutely awful, evil woman. She used him for monetary gain and trailed his name through the mud when it didn’t work out for her. She lied repeatedly and made an absolutely mockery of DV victims across the globe. She promised she’d donate money to two different charities then kept it all for herself. She acted (badly) throughout the entire trial. There wasn’t a single point in the trial where I felt empathy or sympathy for her. No one came and supported her, other than her sister who didn’t even look like she wanted to be there.

None of this would have happened if they’d just divorced amicably and they both moved on. She kept going back for more and more- she wanted more fame, more sympathy, more money. She got greedy and it bit her on the arse.

The verdict today was fair. Her career being over is absolutely deserved.

I am a woman and I will always support women, but I refuse to support anyone who thinks it’s appropriate to lie about DV for their own gain. It’s absolutely disgusting. It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman or not.

I also don’t feel bad for her lawyers, either. They knew who they were taking on. Amber went through enough teams beforehand; there were plenty of red flags. They came hugely unprepared, and made mistakes I wouldn’t expect to see from someone who had just passed their bar exams. Objecting to your own question? Saying “I’m trying… I’m trying” in the middle of questioning? Constantly objecting like a broken record with absolutely no basis? Wasting hours and hours of time on absolute nonsense (ie asking a man about every single makeup product a woman might be wearing on her face?)

JD’s team were incredible. Very talented, professional but still managed to come across as likeable to the general public. Camille, Ben and the team did an astounding job and I hope this win brings them further success for the future. It was a masterclass.

No I wasn't there but there were multiple people who were there whose testimony went against Amber's. For Amber to be telling the truth everyone else has to be lying. The evidence also has to be lying.

Luckily, Amber recorded an audio that night confirming Johnny's story - Amber cut his finger off. They wasn't allowed to use audio in court that had someone else's voice on but it's been leaked. You listen to this and tell me if you think Amber's version of events is true or not.

@puffalo

puffalo
I’d be much more interested in sharing insights on a case that happened locally to me several years ago.

Woman claimed she had been raped in a local park close to a university which caused huge alarm and concern in the area. Man in question was charged. However, she later admitted she had made the entire story up and what had actually happened was she had consensual sex with two different men on the alleged night. He was released, she was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

But yes, we should believe all women and let an innocent man rot in jail and have his life ruined because women. This stuff happens more than we think. Every victim deserves to have their cases investigated, properly, regardless on whether they’re male or female.
^^^
To add to this - a female accused 3 different men of rape.
2 of them did time.
She then confessed she made it up - had ti pay her compensation back.
The men who had served time got an apology from the system.
Imagine if that was your son, brother, friend.
This does happen- absolute night mare.

IMO that audio confirms no such thing. Maybe you could give timestamps of where you think it does?

When it comes to the last, what is so bad about being an MRA?
MRAs use the logic you included as a front for trying to get women back in "their place"
They don't campaign for anything to benefit men, or do anything useful to help male victims (like set up men's refuges). Instead they spend their time under mining women's rights work by insisting men are focussed on too and spreading misinformation (such as, there are as many male victims of domestic abuse as female ones, or that family courts are biased, or that men are more often killed at work and noone minds etc etc). A tiny bit of critical thinking and research will disprove their agenda.
I'd be very sure what you are aligning yourself with, before you start calling yourself an MRA.

It seems to me that these posters are almost annoyed he “won” the lawsuit? I can’t imagine for a second if it was the other way round anyone would be saying that. The threads would be full of support for her, saying how she was a victim of such an awful man. No one would blame her for taking drugs, drinking excessively, etc.

Where do you get that idea? There are people who obviously support Depp, I can't imagine they would change their minds based on the result of this court case.

She is an absolutely awful, evil woman. She used him for monetary gain and trailed his name through the mud when it didn’t work out for her. She lied repeatedly and made an absolutely mockery of DV victims across the globe. She promised she’d donate money to two different charities then kept it all for herself.

This just isn't true. She's donated a lot of the money already. I imagine she has legal bills to pay. And if she was using him for monetary gain, why did she not go for the full amount she was entitled to under California law? It's a no fault divorce state with community property so she could have taken half of his earnings from the time they were married, which would have been millions more.

On the narrow point of law, Depp should have had no chance of winning.

But the case became about the extent to which Heard was All Victim and Depp All Perpetrator. I think for ordinary people- such as you might find on a jury - theories about the impossibility of mutual abuse, querying the extent to which women can truly be abusers and men truly victims, and wider theories about how patriarchy plays into toxic intimate relationships probably cut little ice. Even on the question of the 'imperfect victim', I think most people probably have a limit to just how imperfect Heard could be and still be given benefit. I think the jury saw her as also abusive, not dissimilar to Depp in her lifestyle and behaviours, and yet claiming for herself a purity of victimhood in both her professional life and legal claims which was outrageously implausible. So they punished her for posing as All Victim, which they saw as both a lie and defamatory.

@houseonthehill

You just summed it up in a way I can't so I'll just tag yours!

To add to this, a girl wad raped in her apartment while she was sleeping. She went to the police who could find no suspects and persuaded her she had imagined it/it was a dream. She accepted a caution for wasting police time. She lost her job, friends and family for lying about rape.
3 years later a man was arrested for a series of rapes in in his possession was her phone with photos of her rape.

A woman was asleep in a hotel room. A man came in and raped her. In court he said he was drunk, went in the wrong room and thought it was his girlfriend. The court found him not guilty.

A man raped a woman on a sofa in his flat. In court he claimed he tripped and accidentally penetrator her. He was found not guilty.

Imagine if that was your daughter, wife, sister. This stuff does happen. Nightmare.

Yes, that’s very fair.