Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

Elaine has lost it a few times (out of frustration I think) and I agree that mocking voice she did stormzy made her look stupid and that she'd resorted to mocking the opposition as she had nothing of any substance to counteract.

@Miscfeminista Camille came off snotty and genuinely made me feel grossed out with her"highschool mean girl"demeanor.

I thought the same thing! The pretty girl of my class who wore a pink bow, loved male attention and was incredibly mean to other girls. She was really pissing me off by shouting "OBJECTION YOUR HONOR" literally every 5 seconds during Elaines questioning of witnesses with her girly girl high pitched voice. That and her little fake laughs while kissing Jonnys ass. God she was so annoying. My favourite lawyer was Rottenborg, incredibly articulated, smart, straight to the point no BS type of guy, he gets my kuddos.

I have a weird liking for Rottenberg and I don't know why!

Who was the other guy who sat next to Amber. He looked like he didn't want to be there?

I have a crush on him. He's incredibly smart, articulated, good looking, has one amazing curriculum for his age (yes I took the time to search that lol) and was defending a woman accused of domestic violence. What's not to like? He sounds too good to the true so he must be gay ha ha. I believe the judge had a little bit of a crush on him too because she smiled a lot every time he took the stand lol

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall you may or may not find my characterisation ok but I didn’t diminish Camille's expertise on basis of how likeable or not she is(tho her indeed childish bully demeanour didn’t come off very professional yet seems this was allowed given no one said anything in courtroom and was clearly some sort of tactic of hers-at least I hope it was)

Sandra

That's what it is! Vibes 😂

I do believe she acted with malice.

Her actions if Johnny had agreed to continue with the marriage would have been different.
She would not have filed the Tro.

She was a scorned woman who wanted to hurt Johnny and the Tro was the beggining of full all out war, she wanted out at the beggining after filing, meeting up with him bargaining with Johnny, him trying to sort the fall out by negotiation but it was on her terms.

You stay with me and want me, or else I continue with the abuse claims.

He had, had enough and that was the final straw, he could see they were destroying themselves and needed to be apart but Amber had financially so much more to lose, when you have been acclimatised to so much power and wealth you get used to it and it's security.

There was no way she was going to let him walk away without punishing him.

@Onthedunes There was no way she was going to let him walk away without punishing him.

He made her sign an NDA (non disclosure agreement) in exchange of 17 million, that is what they agreed on the meeting. He basically bought her silence. 11 months of a bad marriage in exchange of 17 million. Where do I have to sign? 😀

Wow.

You what?

This! I am appalled at her using other women's trauma to get attention, it's a total betrayal.

Lying about being the victim of domestic abuse is what cost her €13m

I have found this trial to be highly triggering for me, not because of the abuse, which I have suffered, a fractured cheekbone, massive bruising and a huge swollen face that had me hibernating for at least 2/3 months, was the worst of it and there there were many other incidents. So much emotional and physical abuse but for me it's watching this woman portray herself to be a victim.

I see a cold, hard and strong woman with little or no empathy. Many others will disagree, I believe she is a narcissist, these people use and discard others as they move along in life, their main objective is to win no matter the cost. They overcome insurmountable hurdles to wriggle out of accountability and they constantly lie and always have an ulterior motive.

No action is wasted on just being generous for altruistic reasons.

Sometimes in life unfortunate people fall in love with these types, there is a cruelty in them that lurks but when is revealed is one of the scariest things you can imagine.

Now why can I hear that in Ambers voice.

For some reason she scares me.

I see a cold, hard and strong woman with little or no empathy. Many others will disagree, I believe she is a narcissist, these people use and discard others as they move along in life, their main objective is to win no matter the cost. They overcome insurmountable hurdles to wriggle out of accountability and they constantly lie and always have an ulterior motive.

I certainly wouldn't disagree with you Onthedunes

I believe she's a narcissist too. I don't apply that lightly as the word is flung around like sweets nowadays.

I've never known true narcissists to be self destructive either.
They do not turn their anger inwards on themselves, they direct or aim at others.

Johnny is self destructive.

No neither do I @TiddyTidTwo and it's frustrating when it is bandied around willy nilly. For anyone who has actually been on the receiving end of a true narcissist its frightening and will completely mess with a persons head.

I agree that Camille was getting a huge kick out of bullying Amber. Totally jealousy, she clearly fancied JD. It was so cringe

I actually have a family member who is diagnosed NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) they finally received a diagnosis when incarcerated for the 3rd or 4th time, can't remember.

All I can say is, I agree, a true narcissistic person is absolute hell to live with or just be around for longer than 15minutes. They frighten me, I am on edge with them. They are beyond abusive and I've never ever seen or witnessed anything like it. It was and is shocking.

They lie, they gaslight, they are argumentative over everything. If you said the sky was blue, and they believed it was green they would literally fight with you over it. Very self centered, selfish, egotistical, borderline grandiose delusions at time.

Dr Curry- also very annoying, the jury is out in feminist terms, whether personality disorders exist, and if they do, why women are branded with them for defying gender norms. Histrionic personality disorder, one of the symptoms is promiscuity -- I a society where prostitution, pork and one night stands are perfectly acceptable in certain circles and contexts. Elaine called her out on this straight away, something about whether and why female abuse victims are disproportionately branded as having these disorders, to which Dr Curry effectively victim blamed , citing the chicken and the egg scenario

Porn not pork. Love my Samsung but its annoying sometimes

She is calling her out on her inconsistencies, she knew the type of person she was dealing with and took exactly the right approach. The only person, to my mind, that was cringe was the person she was cross examining.

@ObjectionHearsay it could be argued though that that was simply thir personality . They tend to reign it in in front of bosses and authorities, if disorders were real they would never be able to do that. Part of the horror of what is termed 'npd' is the blatantness of how they behave with victims versus their professional persona at work (although it's true quite a few slip up over time- not often though. It's usually exclusively reserved for their victims)

Exactly.

Posters sitting here defending poor AH, but describe Camille like this, really? What happened to ~feminism~

Camille is a great lawyer. She clearly had a good relationship with her client and the rest of the team. All of them meshed well together, which ultimately helped JD to win the case. AH’s team were a mess and they didn’t do a good job for their client.

But of course, some women can’t be good at their jobs and be strong and gutsy in their questioning. Of course she’s just a mean girl who bullies poor little Amber. Of course she fancies JD and it has nothing to do with the fact she’s paid to do a job and she’s going to do it as well as she can.

I personally found Elaine’s breakdown mid questioning and her endless baseless objections which wasted so much of their time much more cringe, if we’re going to compare women to women.

If I was going to court tomorrow, I certainly know who I’d prefer to be representing and defending me, anyway.

There are a lot of us who have been through DV on here, both physical and psychological yet I am very surprised to hear that you would be scared by AH next to JD. I respect we all have different triggers but this is incomprehensible to me.

Also I am the kind that shuts off and people have called me”cold”and”a selfish b*”so thanks for that. I probably cried 2 times in my life in front of my family and they told me I need medications because there’s something wrong with me for being angry but then when I stopped showing how I feel and grit my teeth through their belittling they then called me arrogant and”holding myself too high”(a la narcissism insult). So which one you want people make up your mind. I guess we should find some class on perfect presentation of being a victim and make a chart of who had it worse, a cut off threshold of some sort for qualifying being victimised enough.

Everyone’s experiences are different and there’s no right way of displaying how you feel about abuse you went through. I find it insulting that people so easily accuse AH of faking being a DV victim. I would rather it ends up that a woman lied than me not believing someone about horror they went through.