Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

@MichelleScarn I'm directly referring to @Blossomtoes (1) saying she doesn't like the feminism boards, and (2) having a go at me for posting in a strongly opinionated way. Those are both points that she made in her posts. Go and find them yourself if you don't believe me.

@Autumndays123 I suggest you keep that recommendation for the poster that seems to think that the verdict means JD was found not guilty.

I've said this already at length but just for clarity as there are still posters jumping in either having not read or listened to the actual verdict, or who unfortunately willfully hear what they want to hear to suit their own narrative.

The jury were specifically asked whether they believe that the allegations of physical and sexual assault were true. AHs lawyer even said in the closing statements that if the jury can find just one time JD abused AH, she wins. The jury stated in their verdict that they believe all of AHs claims were false. They also stated that knowing the allegations were false, maliciously wrote the article to defame (ruin) JD. It's there in black and white. They think she made the whole thing up and set out to frame him. Stop bleating on that this was just a defamation trial and says nothing of the (or lack of) abuse because you are embarrassing yourselves. Do you even know what defamation means??

And again, AHs counter suit was dismissed for two general statements made by JDs then lawyer. Those statements were that AH was lying about the abuse - they agreed she was and that is why she didn't win those counts. You cannot defame someone if the statements are true!

The statement that she won was a whole different kettle off fish. It was specific. JDs lawyer told the press that on once occasion she'd taken active steps to set JD up, including roughing herself up, calling the police and then once then left, calling friends and her publicist to smash the penthouse up so they could get JD arrested. The jury said this was defamatory as not enough evidence was presented that on the one night, AH was trying to get JD arrested.

How anyone can think this is a win for AH is beyond me. The jury award punitive damages to JD and not AH, do you know what punitive damages are? They are intended to PUNISH a party for wrongdoing. The jury thought AH required punishment but not JD. How much more do you need to be spoonfed?

I didn’t say I don’t like the feminism boards, I said I don’t often venture on to them.

I’ve never mentioned anyone being opinionated. I said you’re argumentative. And you are. Go on, argue with that now. 😂

I was surprised with a win on all 3 counts for Depp. I figured he won on the sexual violence title, but possibly loose the other two.

I'm also surprised amber one on one count, I thought she'd loose all.

Ah the justice system, forever throwing curveballs!

Hopefully both parties can just move on now, and never speak about or to one another. That's probably for the best.

Thanks but I'm not brainwashed by him nor am ai ill informed either. Nothing will change the opinion of the majority of posters on this thread Their choice. I believe fact and support Johnny. Nothing more to say.

I have. Maybe you could do the same. 🤦🏻‍♀️

You said that he was found not guilty. This wasn't a criminal trial it was merely a defamation trial. You are deeply ill-informed, you don't even know what the trial was about. He wasn't found not guilty at all.

@Blossomtoes I have no idea what you get out of being so deliberately unpleasant. You chose to come onto the feminist boards and slate them; it's hardly surprising that some here will not appreciate that. 🙄

Ok if you've read the verdict and don't understand that the jury agreed JD did not abuse AH then I guess there's no point arguing. Please don't repeat that opinion to anyone in real life though, it's embarrassing enough for you on here

Please read what’s actually written, not what you think’s written. I haven’t slated the feminist boards once. I don’t like misandry and said so. The only person taking issue with me is you.

@Autumndays123

I am sorely tempted to start another thread titled ‘AIBU to want to only discuss the legal aspects of the JD/AH verdict?’

I accept that there is a place for a discussion around the societal repercussions of a case like this, but I really only want to discuss the ACTUAL legal judgment!

Isn't it amazing that someone can listen to a jury say we think all of Amber's statements are false and malicious and then still try and argue that it doesn't mean they are saying her statements are false 😂😂

Isn't it amazing that someone can listen to a jury say we think all of Amber's statements are false and malicious and then still try and argue that it doesn't mean they are saying her statements are false 😂😂

The misogyny that is being thrown about is not only upsetting but frightening too

Shows up how much our society still views women even though we pride ourselves as being progressive

we have a long long way to go it’s so bloody depressing

I fear you’re wasting your time.
this is a clear summary of the facts and the rationale. Some will decide to disregard it anyway

It's heartbreaking and frightening. Men hate women so much (and so, sadly, do some women).

@Autumndays123 Only the apologists for male VAWG ought to be embarrassed.

Please do, prior to the verdict there were wonderful threads where people discussed the legal aspects respectfully.

@Unsure33 the only reason he failed on the uk case was she committed perjury about her donation.

Are you serious? he was found guilt on 12 of 14 counts. The donation was a side issue that the Judge only mentioned on the side in the judgment. It wasn't even an issue in that case.

How does where she donated her money to change the fact he was found to have committed domestic abuse on 12 of 14 points? At least try to follow the case and try to use critical thinking.

The jury did not such thing. There was no 'Guilty' or 'Not Guilty'. It was not a Criminal Trial. The jury did not find him Guilty of anything or not guilty of anything. That did not play any part. It was about if Heard was referencing him in the article. You've already made a fool of yourself and can't even understand defamation vs criminal. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

it's very depressing I agree, listening to women who have "internalised misoginy" coming to the feminist boards and throwing comments such as "I don't like the feminist boards" or "I hardly come in here".

ladies: feminism is the reason you can vote, own a bank account and sit here and post vile comments.

Or non vile for that matter 😀