Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

Well put Autumn123

feminism is the reason you can vote, own a bank account and sit here and post vile comments

It’s also the reason you have legalised abortion, maternity benefits and subsidised childcare - all fought for by second generation feminists who apparently don’t count because they don’t frequent the feminist boards.

There are plenty of older feminists on these boards 😂

All of those people are the STAPLE of the feminist boards. If you came here regularly you'd know that.

Done!

Her being an abuser does not mean that he isn't an abuser or that she lied in her article.

One can coexist. Both can be true at the same time.

No, he was not found guilty of anything in the UK. The UK case was also defamation. It was not a criminal trial. The judge found that NGN had proven 12 of their 14 allegations against Depp.

He is by his own texts, own words, and by a court of law, guilty of domestic abuse.

No, both the Sun trial and this American one were civil not criminal trials. The burden of proof is far stricter in a criminal trial. In a civil trial it's more likely than not, whereas in a criminal one it's beyond reasonable doubt. So Depp is no more guilty of domestic abuse in a criminal sense than Heard is guilty of perjury.

Were the Sun trial to be run now, after this case, I think Depp would win. A lot of Amber's evidence in London has been shown to be untrue.

I agree that this case has been bad for women, but the person I blame is Heard.

I wasn't much interested in the London trial. As a PP observed, a lot of men in Hollywood are abusive so I assumed the the verdict was fair. But I got sucked into the online circus of the American one and, as I'm disabled and have the time, I watched a lot of it.

I found her evidence unconvincing. Her claims that she was punched in the face repeatedly were downright lies. I am a survivor of DV and I've been punched in the face by an adult man. There is no way that even a week later I would have appeared on TV looking normal. And the guy who punched me wasn't wearing rings on every finger. She was lying.

I think it was a horrible toxic relationship. Neither of them were perfect. And had they divorced and gone their separate ways that would have been reasonable. But for her to follow him with accusations, trying to wreck his career, for six years - she got her just desserts.

I worry about her now. She's very troubled and she doesn't seem to have much support.

I’m sure they are. But you don’t have to post here to be a feminist. And that was the implication. And, given the reception this feminist has received, I expect there are a number who put their head round the door and never return.

@Unsure33 Please stop your lies. The donation played ZERO part in that case. The judge barely mentioned it. He was found to have committed domestic abuse on TWELVE OF THE FOURTEEN COUNTS. Where she spent her own money didn't even come into the case.

They count, massively, and they would never come into the feminist online boards and make sniggering or passive aggressive comments against feminism.

it's very depressing I agree, listening to women who have "internalised misoginy" coming to the feminist boards and throwing comments such as "I don't like the feminist boards" or "I hardly come in here".

The majority of people using Mumsnet aren't frequent visitors to the Feminist section. Do you ever think there's a reason for that? I'd say this thread makes it obvious. You demonstrate a complete inability to perceive a woman as ever being culpable for her actions, then claim you support women with strong opinions, whilst demonstrating that you'll only accept the opinions of women whose arguments you agree with.

Any woman espousing something different is 'vile' has internal 'misogyny' and is a woman hater or a supporter of male domestic violence.

You are wholly inhabited by your world view to the point of blindness. No better in my opinion that those in other social justice causes who lack the ability to see outside their sphere.

It's akin to religious fervour.

Who mentioned guilty or not guilty? Who mentioned criminal trial? Nowhere in my post have I said anything close to that. I can't imagine you're being serious now, must be a troll

You are basing your assertions on beliefs you have based on what you have seen and heard through the media. That's not how facts work.

@Sandra1984, if that was, as I suspect, a dig at me please show me my passive aggressive/sniggering comments against feminism.

Putting aside the fact that the UK case was a civil case so he wasn't found guilty of anything, part of the reason the judge accepted Heard's evidence almost completely, preferring her version of events to any conflicting accounts, was that she had donated the divorce settlement. He said this was "hardly the act one would expect of a gold-digger". This was the basis on which he rejected Depp's allegation that Heard had constructed a hoax. I am not saying this was the deciding factor in the case, but it was clearly significant.

The reason it wasn't an issue in the case was that, at that stage, Depp and his lawyers were not aware that the donation was a lie - that she had only pledged the money and that her actual donations were much less than she claimed.

@TalkingCat
Her being an abuser does not mean that he isn't an abuser or that she lied in her article.

One can coexist. Both can be true at the same time

I am glad you agree she is an abuser

Wow. Well, I'm sure you didnt mean to sound so patronising..

I watched every second of that case and you're wrong. There wasn't evidence that supported her abuse claims. Unless you mean pictures of Depp sleeping and objects knocked over/broken?

"One of the mistakes that I’ve seen women make on these boards is the idea that MEN AND WOMEN don’t fight back in abusive relationships. Some do, it really depends on the personalities involved. Indeed, the ignorance on the general dynamics of abusive relationships is mind blowing" - Fixed it for you.

"Heard has proven herself to be a truly odious personality - angry, jealous, paranoid, aggressive, violent, chaotic, out of control, serious substance abuser, and a really nasty piece of work" - Fixed this one for you too.

There was also clear evidence that Depp lied. If you read some of the earlier links on this thread, you can run through them

I don't remember Depp being caught in a lie but please do share when he was. I can share the 10+ times Heard was caught lying though?

There’s even evidence from him that he was aware that he damaged his own finger.

Is that when he said something like "I hurt my finger"? Very common phrase though isn't it. "What happened to your leg?" "I broke it". Doesn't mean I intentionally and purposely broke my own leg does it.

This trial helps all victims of DA - both men and women.

Putting aside the fact that the UK case was a civil case so he wasn't found guilty of anything

I keep seeing the U.K. case mentioned as proof in some regard but I agree with this point. You have to be put on trial to be found guilty or not of a crime.

Nobody has said a woman can't be culpable.

Your exaggerations and distortions are just risible.

Well said.

I also find it odd how many AH defenders here have admitted she “over-egged the dessert” but she was a victim, etc.

If you’re a genuine victim, you don’t need to embellish the story to be believed. I’m not talking about going into details of what occurred; it’s necessary to be descriptive and include the events that led up to the situation to provide a context that others will believe and understand.

However, she went so far to the point where it completely voided out her claims as it sounded more like a parody than anything else.

One example, the “dirty carpet”. Why so much detail on the state of the carpet? If you’ve just been thrown to the floor, you’d probably describe how sudden it was, how sore it was, how you felt vulnerable being on the floor, the fear and shock you felt, perhaps how you were trying to think of how to get away, etc.

You wouldn’t land on the floor and take a look around and think about the carpet and how it needs a good clean.

It sounded like a script. That’s why she wasn’t believed and JD was.