It’s devastating to think what teenage girls are making of the anti Amber Heard misogyny right now

[carefulvulvadriver]

i don’t follow celebs, but I’ve experienced DV, and I’ve been watching some of the depp v heard court footage.
It just struck me today, as I walked past a group of teenage school girls: The absolute wall to wall misogyny that is all over social media. It must be both terrifying and also hugely gaslighting to them. I worry how many at vulnerable age will just internalise this woman hatred rather than be able to stand up to it and see it for what it is.

i don’t have a teenage daughter. those that do: how are they seeing this? how do you talk to them about it? I don’t care if the ruling goes against her (I’ve seen enough of the evidence to be very certain he was abusive and clearly violent, but I don’t have faith the jury will agree) it’s the wider impact on what this has shown about what the world thinks of women that will have a bigger impact

It has been an opportunity to talk to my teenage son about abuse and DV, and how complex it is. In particular about how, sometimes, the victims can develop abusive behaviours themselves as a response.

It's amazing how many people admit they aren't paying attention to the trial but still have strong opinions about who's right and who's wrong.
I've seen enough of it to conclude that Amber is lying big time and she seems like a sociopath. It wasn't the opinion I expected to have when it started but more and more facts just add up against her.

I'm glad it's being televised because it's got many people talking about the dynamics of abusive relationships, the signs of a manipulator, and personality disorders like Histrionic, Borderline, Narcissism and Sociopathic.

Everyone need to be educated on those things--That's how we start ridding society of abuse and oppression.

Id suggest your daughter comes off social media altogether if this is affexting her mental health.

Gosh such pearls of wisdom 😂

@SchoolThing he isn't wrong though. And why would she be upset by people supporting a DV victim??

Yea he’s all kinds of wrong. First of all you don’t get to tell other people what they “should” do.
Secondly why comment when you have zero insight into the world of a teenager?
And thirdly, the overwhelming takeaway of the Depp v Heard trial is how deeply misogynistic society is. That should be alarming for everyone.

Whatever you think you've seen that proves he's been violent and abusive isn't what you've seen.

She's a typical bpd and definitely hpd and treated him abysmally. She's an abuser and I frankly sick of the poor women, me too nonsense. Women can be every bit as abusive as men, if not more so. I

'd hate to be a man in today's pro poor women climate. Men don't stand a chance!!

I've got a teenage daughter. She doesn't care about either of them and is not interested in the case.

Things she does care about:

Climate change
Brexit
Feminism
Philosophy
Music
Love
Equality

PS They both sound like horrible people. I am pretty sure they both committed and experienced abuse.

That's such a shame and really worrying for you, I'm so sorry.

It's so awful that a young woman of that age is so jaded and biased already that in spite of the facts, she cannot see that Herd is the biggest abuser.

The fact she's actually stopped following people because they've taken the man's side who is unquestionably the more injured party, is awful. I truly wish you all the best in getting her on track to look at evidence and facts impartially rather than jump to inaccurate conclusions about men.

I assume you are talking about JD?

In what way is he wrong? If she can't cope with people supporting a DV survivor then it probably warrants a chat and is an opportunity to educate. Why is she blocking people on JD's side but not his abuser's? That's pretty worrying.

Unless of course you've raised her to think men can't be victims. But I'd hope that's not the caee in this day and age. Best of luck.

My teen son's take is that they are both abusive to each other.

My teen DD's take is that AH is very abusive but JD is not the angel victim suggested by sm (especially TikTok) She knows from experience that drunks and druggies say and do dickish things and he will have acted badly too.

I'm not heavily involved in it but last night scrolling through my phone I saw the same video twice.
First video no sound and a commentary saying Amber Heard ignored the security guard when she arrived at court.
the second video she clearly said " good morning "
You can't believe anything in the media. Only 2 people know what went on in that relationship

I think a lot (most?) women have been in relationships with some form of domestic abuse, even if it was "just" controlling or coercive behaviour. I tutor a 15 year old girl who has just got out of a really toxic relationship with an absolute bully

The hatred and venom for Heard stems from the audio recordings where she's laughing at Depp, goading him, winding him up and trying to trap him on camera/audio, setting him up for a well planned smear campaign. It's offensive to any woman that has been through hell in a toxic relationship. I mean ffs, she took a knife to the bed frame, took a photo saying it was broken with Depp's boot, but was stupid enough to leave the knife in the photo.

I have no doubt I could not have lived with him slamming cabinets and being drunk and drugged all the time, it's toxic. But her manipulation has done possibly irreparable damage to the credibility of millions of female victims of DV. Women around the world are hurt and disgusted by her, and that's the reason for the hate against her, imo anyway.

Being a woman doesn't absolve her of her behaviour. She's lying. She might not be lying about everything, but the obvious lies she has told about many things has undermined her credibility for the things that may be true. That, unfortunately, is the reality when the lies start, especially if someone is not a good liar and can't keep track of their lies.

You can't believe anything in the media. Only 2 people know what went on in that relationship

^This. The most depressing thing for me about this whole circus is the frankly sinister way that the general public are allowing themselves to be nudged and manipulated into viewpoints by blatant social media campaigns (not that we didn't already know this, but it's been particularly apparent with this case).

Almost equally depressing is the extent to which people get so obsessed with this kind of media circus, and believe they really know what particular celebrities are actually like (rather than realising they are just seeing whatever manufactured image is deliberately being fed to them). Honestly, how can people be so thick?

People can accept readily that AH abused JD. Even the ones that think JD abused her, like I do.

The only thing people repeat ad nauseam is AH lied, she abused him. Yes. No one has denied it.

Many can clearly see she has been abused by JD emotionally, verbally, and probably physically and sexually but many refuse to accept it for the lack of ‘hard evidence’ .

My teenagers have taken something from the trail which I didn't expect. They are now huge fans of Camille Vasquez and Dr Curry and look up to them as strong women with excellent careers.

We've spoken about the AH v JD situation and come to the conclusion they are both guilty of some accusations, the evidence points to both sides being toxic. I think for teenagers of both sexes it's a valuable lesson about knowing when to walk away and that men and women can be equally terrible and both be victims.

tbh I don't think AH is receiving criticism just because she's a woman.

I find how JD is not being treated as some sort of hero worrying more than anything. We have all read the texts on how he talks about the women in his life. Regardless of what went on in their relationship he has been extremely spiteful and nasty. How can he been viewed as a lovely stand up guy now I don’t get it

my ds has been influenced by what he has read and has come out with some misogynistic opinions 😞 we are having conversations at least. It’s made me really sad and angry mostly sad though

I know a few teen girls and they are all very much #standwithjohnny and consider Amber to be a devil, a witch. They totally see him as the innocent victim. They have JD movie nights etc having previously not heard of him.

I don't really think my daughter has any sympathy for AH. We both were horrified at the arguments, name calling and gross accusations being aired publically, its just awful. No one comes out well in it.

I agree but so many people on here and irl seen to think that AH shouldn't receive any criticism purely because she's a woman. Equally, it seems that many people just want to label Depp as the guilty party purely because he's a man. It's ridiculous and so sexist. Newsflash : Women can be abusers.
I also think people side with AH because she actually chose to take JD to court and then exposed herself as a manipulative, abusive sociopath.