Feminism: chat
This is how quickly Snag Tights are rolling over to males with kinks
HardRockOwl · 16/05/2022 17:21
Just had the misfortune to stumble across their social media. I work in the same field and was researching something and came across this little exchange .... I know MN are having paragraph issues so apologies if this is one long block of text!
Instagram user (male) .... could you remove the word 'women's' when referring to your tights? If we are wanting to be more inclusive, we could start there.'
Snag ... yes we absolutely agree! We will get this feedback sent over to the team. Thanks for the amazing feedback, we want everyone to feel included.'
They then go on to reassure another commenter called 'pretty fat boy' that they'll look into change all their packaging asap.
The world has gone quite mad hasn't it? And yes, I know men can wear tights. That's not my issue. My issue is these blokes with obvious kinks and fetishes requesting the word 'women' be erased to keep them happy.
Thoughts?
Antarcticant · 16/05/2022 17:27
From what you have quoted, I can't see why it is 'obvious' that the people making these requests have 'kinks and fetishes'.
You have acknowledged yourself that men wear tights; a man can wear tights while still describing himself as male.
This is really a marketing decision for the company in question - it's up to them to use the wording they think will sell more tights. If you don't like their marketing, don't buy their tights - but it's not something to be outraged about.
HardRockOwl · 16/05/2022 17:28
Honestly, the way they fawn over these men is ridiculous. If it wasn't my business name all over my Instagram, I'd post a response saying that I'd actually like the word 'women's' to remain on the packaging.
A man (with a fetish) speaks and the company fall over themselves to placate him
SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 16/05/2022 17:28
Yes. They have gone from celebrating the fact that every woman's body is a womanly body and their tights will fit every woman to our tights fit every body and some.tbose bodies will be male. It completely undoes their original USP.
And I have told them so. They don't care.
SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 16/05/2022 17:31
Antarcticant · 16/05/2022 17:27
From what you have quoted, I can't see why it is 'obvious' that the people making these requests have 'kinks and fetishes'.
You have acknowledged yourself that men wear tights; a man can wear tights while still describing himself as male.
This is really a marketing decision for the company in question - it's up to them to use the wording they think will sell more tights. If you don't like their marketing, don't buy their tights - but it's not something to be outraged about.
Their SM pictures, various advertising ventures don't leave much to the imagination.
They got all excited when asked to supply tights for that We All Love Jamie thing. This is the upshot of that. A company that got started making tights that loved every woman's body to big tights for men.
They have lost a lot of long standing customers because of it but seem determined to deny that.
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Organictangerine · 16/05/2022 17:38
There’s a difficult paradox going on here. If ‘gender ideology’ is steeped in gender stereotypes then ditching them when it comes to something like fashion can only be a good thing.
On the other hand I don’t like men trying to actively root something out because it mentions the word ‘woman’ and that ‘makes them feel unincluded’ (cry me a river)
FleurDeLizz · 16/05/2022 17:47
I’ve just gone back through quite a few of their instagram posts and can’t see the exchange you mention. There’s also absolutely no indication that the users you mention are “pervs” - searching for that username brings up a few hefty gentlemen with very few posts.
I know you’ll get people on MN who bloody love a chance to froth over any posts like this but hopefully some will read it and use a bit of critical thinking. Men are allowed to wear tights too. They’re even allowed to point that out that they wear them and ask that the branding is made more unisex.
HardRockOwl · 16/05/2022 17:51
I also haven't called anyone a 'perv' so no need to put words in my mouth. I'm also not frothing.
These men have kinks and fetishes so all in stating is a fact. A fact gleaned from a quick glance at their very own profiles, available for all to look at
floofycroissant · 16/05/2022 18:01
I don't really see the issue. Why do tights have to be women only? It's not like they can't accommodate both anatomies. And whether or not it's fetish related is totally subjective and wholly irrelevant - afaik the person in question is not asking for the product name to promote their kink, in fact they're actively seeking to purchase a unisex product.
Whilst I understand the wider implications of your thinking in other areas. I think you're being a bit precious. They're tights.
A very loose comparison could be when women wanted to wear trousers, no? Were women seeking to erase maleness? I doubt it. Did sex play a small part?... quite possibly - they're called power suits for a reason.
Snag sell products. Pretty sure their entire existence depends on and is working towards customer growth, rather than the erasure of women.
Snugglepumpkin · 16/05/2022 18:01
I hope these companies enjoy what they are doing because customers have long memories.
Things that are apparently unisex don't tend to fit real women because we are a different shape.
If your target market for clothing includes men, that's not a clothing line for real women.
floofycroissant · 16/05/2022 18:03
HardRockOwl · 16/05/2022 17:44
Oh I wouldn't buy their tights anyway. I'm not their target audience one bit. See also, Molke bras
My point was the way they just appease the fetishists at what I feel is ultimately the expense of women.
There is no expense to women in this example. Men have worn tights for centuries, in fact "hose" were originally a male garment. You're being ridiculous.
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