This is how quickly Snag Tights are rolling over to males with kinks

[HardRockOwl]

Just had the misfortune to stumble across their social media. I work in the same field and was researching something and came across this little exchange .... I know MN are having paragraph issues so apologies if this is one long block of text!

Instagram user (male) .... could you remove the word 'women's' when referring to your tights? If we are wanting to be more inclusive, we could start there.'

Snag ... yes we absolutely agree! We will get this feedback sent over to the team. Thanks for the amazing feedback, we want everyone to feel included.'

They then go on to reassure another commenter called 'pretty fat boy' that they'll look into change all their packaging asap.

The world has gone quite mad hasn't it? And yes, I know men can wear tights. That's not my issue. My issue is these blokes with obvious kinks and fetishes requesting the word 'women' be erased to keep them happy.

Thoughts?

If the guy had a 'clear fetish' surely it was related to wearing 'women's clothes'. Therefore, agreeing with him and saying yeah, fine these are for men and women does actually help. Because it's just clothes.

Generally, I don't want to buy anything that's advertised with a man wearing it. If it fits a man, it's not going to fit me.

If you really don't believe in gender stereotypes, why are you upset at men wearing tights? Objecting to a tights company marketing their product at men and women just shows how much you actually support gender stereotypes. If you really didn't believe in stereotypes you'd agree that a packet of tights doesn't need either men or women on the label. They're just tights. There's no reason why a pair of tights is only to be worn by women.

If men want to buy snag tights and they say they'd like to see them marketed towards people like them, what business is it of yours? Snag want to sell tights at the end of the day.

@tinierclanger I object to blokes requesting the word 'women' be removed from what is overwhelmingly a clothing item aimed at women. Think I've been clear about that.

The vast majority of men do not wear tights.

The OP isn't upset at men wearing tights. Nor tights being marketed at men. She's clearly annoyed at these particular men expecting to be able to demand to remove any references to women in any of the marketing of this brand. Not add references to men, but remove all references to women, as if it was an unspeakable affront to mention us.

@Fandabulous I never said I didn't believe in gender stereotypes 😉

@RoseslnTheHospital thanks for getting what my objection is. 'Fat pretty boy' asks for the word 'women' to be removed. Company say ' ooh thanks so much for the amazing feedback. We are on it!'

It's a puzzle to me that some women are cool with this

If you don't wear snag tights, and those men do, then they've got more of a right to an opinion on snag's marketing and business practices than you do.

Thanks, OP. Had already decided to never buy from them again after having been a regular and frequent customer but your post just topped my dislike off. Heard about www.bettertights.com/ on here the other day. They are much better than snag for many reasons!

www.bettertights.com

You are missing the point.

It's the ethos of the company, the sudden change, that I am annoyed about.

The tights either fit or they don't. Same as any other product. And, if you haven't tried them, Snag tights are a better fit than 90+% of any others I have ever tried.

I enjoyed and was enticed to try them by their marketing ethos, as were many other women, their older SM says so - a lot. Now their USP isn't understanding and fitting women's bodies any more. That's what has been annoying. My bigger womanly body is no longer fitted by Snag. My big, not necessarily female body is.

Sounds daft but never having found a pair of tights that felt comfortable these were great, their marketing included me, described me, was even aimed at me.

No longer. And worse, they seem to be acquiescent to demands to remove the word women from their advertising. Even if they don't do it they have publicly been happy to consider it!

Oh ok so you think women should wear women's clothes, and men should wear men's clothes? Everyone should stay in their boxes. Ok. Got it.

Sorry I haven’t read the whole thread. Snag tights have always shown male models wearing tights? (Or they have since I have looked) so it would seem silly for them to refer to them as something ‘women’ wear? I kind of agree with the comments that were made. Should any clothes really have a gender?

I do think the world has gone mad by having to label things and labelling people, having 2 teens I have to hear about it a lot but I am also a female that wear clothes from the mens section occasionally, I’m all for clothes not being labelled as ‘for men’ or ‘for women’.

“There is no such thing as gender, it’s just sex, and people should be able to wear what they like without be labelled and thinking because they like a certain thing they’re the wrong sex’

’tights are for women and men who want to wear them are kinky, and shouldn’t be allowed wade in with their opinions’

This is why the gender/sex discussions are so difficult. I personally believe in sex, like I believe in hair colour, eye colour, etc. if someone wants to dye their hair black when they are a blonde, then they are still biologically a blonde. Wearing certain clothes doesn’t make you a certain sex. The sooner people can wear what they like without ridicule, then the sooner we can stop this stupid sex/gender debate.

Gender stereotypes and gender ideology has bugger all to do with how my body is shaped. That influence goes the other way round.

And nobody is dismissing the sex based differences in all kinds of measures. That's called material reality.

And I've explained my personal take on it.

Snag tights have always shown male models wearing tights?

No, really they haven't.

I enjoyed and was enticed to try them by their marketing ethos, as were many other women, their older SM says so - a lot. Now their USP isn't understanding and fitting women's bodies any more. That's what has been annoying. My bigger womanly body is no longer fitted by Snag. My big, not necessarily female body is

The tights still fit you but you're offended because they don't say "for women"? Talk about first world problems.

@Lovemusic33 they didn't use to have men modelling tights. As far as I can tell it's only been recently that there's been an apparent push to show men wearing them.

Not that it matters. Because the objection isn't about men wearing tights! Nor about tights being marketed at men! It's about men expecting and demanding that any reference to women be removed from all advertising. From a brand that sells items that are nearly always bought by women. Is "woman/women" such an appalling word that it must never be used and the word people (or just men??) be used instead??

I'm ashamed to say that in my head I started to sing "were men, men in tights, menly men" from Robin Hood: Men in tights 🤣 reading this.

I think I get what you are saying OP. Man asks for word "woman" to be removed... immediately done.

Women ask for voting rights, equality, demise of the pay gap "were working on it, maybe in 100 years" .

Imagine a woman saying to Gillette. I think you should remove men from your advertising slogan "the best a man can get", because I use my husband's Gillette shaving foam to shave my minge after I've run out of my pound shop shaving gel purchase." Don't think they'd be "on it immediately "

Women ask for voting rights, equality, demise of the pay gap "were working on it, maybe in 100 years

I don't think that decision was down to snag.

@Fandabulous oh I'm joking for goodness sake. Thought the wink face that away but clearly not clear to err some folk eh?

No, but can you not honestly see if women are asking for something, it's never a "immediate issue" ever...

The tights still fit you but you're offended because they don't say "for women"? Talk about first world problems.

If you don't understand how removing of the words for women is a problem there are plenty of threads here that explain it.

Starting with female health issues like FGM - and yes, women campaigning against FGM in both 1st and 3rd world countries have been targeted, here in the UK this year, for speaking without including make bodied people.

The issue isn't just a pair if bloody tights. It's the rush to comply with a male request to be inclusive of males by excluding terms for women. That has any number of very real, very harmful effects on women and girls.

Any attempt to be inclusive by removing terms for women must be challenged, no matter how trivial it seems to some.

@Fandabulous I don't wear tights full stop. My right to have an opinion doesn't change. My objection is the fawning over men who request the word 'women' be erased

If you're happy with the fact that companies are actively agreeing that's it's 'amazing feedback and they're on it' then I actually don't know what to say to you.

Comparing this non issue to FGM is breathtakingly offensive.

Oh and I'll mention M&S too for those not familiar. They're refusing to remove reviews on their website from male fetishists on their period pants.

Lots of reviews stating ' how these lovely pants shape my small manhood so well' and 'when I bend over, the coverage is still really good' and 'such a pretty little bow on the front!'

All there in the open for anyone to look at and read if you don't believe me. And I bet there's some women on this thread who don't see the problem with that either ..