Female students are being injected now with date rape drugs in nightclubs

[GoWalkabout]

I won't post the Facebook post I saw because its on a forum but apparently there have been several reported incidents of students in Exeter nightclubs being injected in the back (not by people they are with) while out. The newspapers really need to get on this story and nightclubs who are reportedly batting back complaints saying that the women are just drunk need to deal with this criminality on their premises. We are not prey.

Weird, I'm a cab going to the station whilst reading this thread, and the Nottingham incident just came up on the radio news.

The doctors are doing toxicology reports , if someone has just a few drinks, maybe 3/4 and then is violently sick and can't stand up or talk properly then it's not right is it?? It's definitely spiked! No need to question it so much.. there are lots of reports across the country of the same thing happening.

@Fiddie

The reports I read in the papers all say the police are investigating, and all the medical people are saying things like the needle would need to be thick to get enough injected intramuscularly in a few seconds to have any affect. They also said it would stay in their blood steam for a good few days so will be easy to check

I would believe it if I knew someone personally but things like a cry baby ring remind me of the stories when I was a teen.

I know this girl personally so i know it's true, I do get that it's a bit hard to believe though and we still have no idea how someone managed to put the ring on her! It must have been when she was out of it as she wasn't even that drunk beforehand. Just all very weird but a woman was shouting at her outside the club and calling her a cry baby, getting up in her face and trying to grab her. She was with her boyfriend who was holding her up and trying to call an Uber to get her to hospital. She didn't find the find in her pile of rings til the next day. She wears a few so didn't notice straight away!

@CatBarb

The doctors are doing toxicology reports , if someone has just a few drinks, maybe 3/4 and then is violently sick and can't stand up or talk properly then it's not right is it?? It's definitely spiked! No need to question it so much.. there are lots of reports across the country of the same thing happening.

But they don’t know they weren’t spiked via the conventional method which we know is easy and works and has a long history of being used in clubs, rather than by a method which people who know about injections are sceptical would even work as described.

BBC news covering this today. Yvette Cooper (who has a student dd iirc) is backing an investigation into incidents recorded via police and a and e. Really scary of those of us with students and young adult dc.

This particular girl in question had a drink before she went out and then a couple of shots stood at the bar, and then the Doctor confirmed that she had a site where she'd been injected in her arm.. the doctor told her it was definitely possible and that you wouldn't feel it, we were skeptics before this happened!

@SW1amp MNHQ has advised us that we need to believe women victims on this thread so your post (and others) might get deleted.

I don't think that anyone really knows whether this has actually happened or not but it bears all the hallmarks of an urban myth for all the reasons that others have posted here and then some.

I know a fair bit about covert drug administration from my research into cults and, as others here have said, covert administration of drugs via injection is a highly ineffective and difficult procedure, at least compared to other modes of administration (which I am not going to detail here for obvous reasons).

When the Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov was murdered in London via the covert injection of a poisoned pellet (belived to be ricin) probably via a concealed injecting / propulsion device in the tip of an umbrella, it took the concerted efforts of the KGB and the Bulgarian secret services to pull it off.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov#Assassination

Posters have pointed out that the claims about multiple covert injections of women in nightclubs have arisen at a time when there is significant collective concern and anxiety about VAWG. This is correct and important to notice.

It seems to me that the collective anxiety and grievance that this story plays into most is anxiety about vaccines, "forced vaccines", vaccines containing microchips, vaccines containing aborted foetuses, vaccines containing alien DNA and injections being a Very Bad Thing generally, all of which I have either heard IRL from anti-vaxxers or read on CT themed social media.

We are in the midst of a flurry of anti-vaccine propaganda from various sources and these accounts of covert spiking by injection feed into the "injections / vaccines = violation and exploitation" discourses that are all over social media.

Do I think that the police should investigate such claims?

Of course they should.

I have been threatened by someone waving a used hypodermic syringe at me (many years ago) and it is of course possible that someone, somewere might attempt to spike a woman in this way.

Just as with claims of satanic ritual abuse, the mass hysteria masks real cult activity. Just because proven fantasists such as Carl Beech and Esther Baker have made demonstrably false allegations of SRA and VIP paedo rings does not mean that all claims of abuse by cults or VIP sex abuse are false.

It seems to me that the police need to find evidence for these stories to be confirmed.

The press are reporting mass allegations but so far no actual evidence.

I remain highly skeptical until such time as concrete evidence is found and claims about "crybaby rings" only add to my skepticism.

The press are reporting mass allegations but so far no actual evidence.

I don't think that means much, there are plenty of scenarios where women are widely not believed and evidence never surfaces due to the nature of what it is.

I don't think that means much, there are plenty of scenarios where women are widely not believed and evidence never surfaces due to the nature of what it is.

Without evidence there is no proof that anything happened.

Collective hysteria / panics are extremely common and are more likely to happen at times of collective sress / anxiety, as we have now.

I am not claiming that things did or did not happen, just expressing my skepticism to reports of mass covert spikings via injection.

I believe that it is prudent to be skeptical about any claims that have not been proved with evidence.

It is possibe that the Crichton Leprechaun really existed. Multiple sightings were reported in the news so maybe it's true?

When I was at school lots of kids my age claimed to know a mum who had taken her little boy to the toilets in the local shopping centre and let him go inside alone. He was castrated and his penis flushed down the toilet by a group of black men.

This was simply a version of the "mutilated boy" urban myth that was a worldwide myth with various different aspects

www.snopes.com/fact-check/mutilated-boy/

I do not believe that it is unreasonable to require evidence prior to believing that a plethora of highly unlikely allegations are true.

I am not saying that this never happened to any woman ever, just that the amount of allegations and the way they resonate with collective anxieties and conspiracy theories suggest strongly that urban myths are at play here.

@hoodathunkit

I don't think that means much, there are plenty of scenarios where women are widely not believed and evidence never surfaces due to the nature of what it is.

Without evidence there is no proof that anything happened.

Collective hysteria / panics are extremely common and are more likely to happen at times of collective sress / anxiety, as we have now.

I am not claiming that things did or did not happen, just expressing my skepticism to reports of mass covert spikings via injection.

I believe that it is prudent to be skeptical about any claims that have not been proved with evidence.

It is possibe that the Crichton Leprechaun really existed. Multiple sightings were reported in the news so maybe it's true?

When I was at school lots of kids my age claimed to know a mum who had taken her little boy to the toilets in the local shopping centre and let him go inside alone. He was castrated and his penis flushed down the toilet by a group of black men.

This was simply a version of the "mutilated boy" urban myth that was a worldwide myth with various different aspects

www.snopes.com/fact-check/mutilated-boy/

I do not believe that it is unreasonable to require evidence prior to believing that a plethora of highly unlikely allegations are true.

I am not saying that this never happened to any woman ever, just that the amount of allegations and the way they resonate with collective anxieties and conspiracy theories suggest strongly that urban myths are at play here.

Is there collective hysteria? Or claims that its happening absolutely everywhere? It doesn't seem so.

It’s not believe me though is it? It’s believe my friend’s daughter’s cousin or whatnot. Not first person stories

I was meant to stop posting….
how on earth can you believe what supposed ‘medical’ people on this thread know? We don’t know who they are! People with silly names.
Of course nobody official can confirm it neither importantly can they deny it.

[quote Journeyofthedragons]@SW1amp MNHQ has advised us that we need to believe women victims on this thread so your post (and others) might get deleted.[/quote]
There haven’t been any women victims on this thread

This thread is the equivalent of the Salam witch trials and MNHQ is being utterly ridiculous trying to force credibility onto a bunch of hugely implausible accounts, which several posters, with actual experience in relevant areas, have debunked

It’s not believe me though is it? It’s believe my friend’s daughter’s cousin or whatnot. Not first person stories

There is a 1st person account in this video

It is credible that this young woman was spiked, however her claim that the injection site was on her wrist seems to debunk the injecting aspect of her account.

It seems more likely to me that she was spiked and subsequently mistook an insect bite or other small injury as an injection.

Maybe someone with medical experience would confirm this? I only know as a martial arts practitioner and just basic biology that wrists are skin, bone and sinew without much muscle at all.

I used to work attached to a needle exchange scheme and know about all of the sites that drug users attempt to inject in when their veins collapse. I have known people to inject in their genital area, backs of the hands, toes, neck but never the wrist.

We know from the Georgi Markov murder that covertly jabbing someone is a highly skilled operation. There are so many effective ways to covertly administer drugs and injecting them makes no sense at all to use a highly ineffective method.

I suspect that the issue is of drink spiking or possibly other methods of covert drug administration that victims believe might be injections due to scratches or insect bites, all fueled by the press reporting which, as in the clip here, borders on sensationalism.

Speaking of which, the leprechaun hoax was parodied by Key and Peele demonstrating how some news outlets run with a story even though they know it's fake (or as in the case of This Morning having no evidence of it being true), thus fueling collective hysteria and even the possibility of copycat attacks.

While the leprechaun / pegasus issue might seem very far removed from the reports of mass covert injections there are some similar themes, which are those of news reports running with an exciting story even though there is no evidence and also various people claiming to have 1st hand experience of the leprechaun / pegasus / covert injecting / crybaby ring thing and making their voices heard (social media and online forums making it much easier for such people to make thier voices heard).

I have more to say abotu this but alas am out of time

how on earth can you believe what supposed ‘medical’ people on this thread know? We don’t know who they are! People with silly names.

Well some people will know who some posters are IRL. I dont who people are however I agree that we should be skeptical of posters on the intenet, including those who post about crybaby rings.

MNHQ has advised us that we need to believe women victims on this thread so your post (and others) might get deleted.

Link?

I believe that whilse Mumsnet occasionally make mostakes that they tend to be critical thinkers

Also nobody is claiming that vctims are lying. I am certainly not claiming that women don't get spiked.

The reasons that people are skeptical of thse claims are because they don't make much rational sense and other possibilities (e.g. spiked but not by injection) are much more likely

@LivMumsnet

Evening all - we've had rather a lot of reports about this thread. We would ask that folk have a read of our We Believe You campaign and bear this in mind when posting on the thread. Otherwise, we might have to consider taking the entire discussion down.

Thanks.

@hoodathunkit

@Journeyofthedragons

But the subsequent link doesn’t say all third hand and unlikely stories must be believed as fact
Which is why the deleted posts are ridiculous and damaging in the long term to women who make allegations of assaults

There is a clearer photo of the alleged needle injury via this news report

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10115267/Nightclub-spiking-Devon-Cornwall-police-launch-probe-alleged-needle-incident.html

More the back of the hand than the wrist

People who inject themselves with drugs do sometimes use the back of the hand but they have to be very careful and it takes a long time to hit the right spot - I have watched people do this on a few occasions - an unpleasant experience

I am not saying that this young woman is lying, I suspect that she really was spiked, just not by injection

[quote SW1amp]@Journeyofthedragons

But the subsequent link doesn’t say all third hand and unlikely stories must be believed as fact
Which is why the deleted posts are ridiculous and damaging in the long term to women who make allegations of assaults[/quote]
I think MNHQ are coming from a #believeallwoman angle, maybe they think discussing "grey areas" regarding rape/sexual assault is heading into dangerous waters.

Ds was at the club in Nottingham on the night it was reported to take place.He was unaware at the time and also unaware someone has been arrested. He did mention that the uni cheerleader group and others have canceled club nights out as a precaution to the media news. ( He's not a cheerleader but in another club who was having a joint night out)

My daughter is a cheerleader and they seem to be particularly targeted. Multiple members of her squad have been spiked since the start of term. Last night four women including her flat mate ended up in hospital and tests showed date rape drugs in their systems. My daughter has been shocked at how uninterested the police are. It’s insanely prevalent and now with the risk of injection she’s not going out to any bars or clubs again.