Female students are being injected now with date rape drugs in nightclubs

[GoWalkabout]

I won't post the Facebook post I saw because its on a forum but apparently there have been several reported incidents of students in Exeter nightclubs being injected in the back (not by people they are with) while out. The newspapers really need to get on this story and nightclubs who are reportedly batting back complaints saying that the women are just drunk need to deal with this criminality on their premises. We are not prey.

Conclusions: Most patients allegedly having had a spiked drink test negative for drugs of misuse. The symptoms are more likely to be a result of excess alcohol.

But was the excess alcohol imbibed willingly, or was vodka added to less potent drinks by a third party?

@DdraigGoch

Conclusions: Most patients allegedly having had a spiked drink test negative for drugs of misuse. The symptoms are more likely to be a result of excess alcohol.

But was the excess alcohol imbibed willingly, or was vodka added to less potent drinks by a third party?

Quite. For all the worry about date rape drugs or pills in drinks, the fact remains that it's easiest to simply add clear spirits like vodka to a victim's drink.

You don't think the fact we live in England which has a massive binge-drink problem could be at least partly to blame?

Vodka is clear but it has a very strong unique taste. I think I'd notice if someone put 4 extra shots of it in whatever I was drinking.

@MargaritaPie

Vodka is clear but it has a very strong unique taste. I think I'd notice if someone put 4 extra shots of it in whatever I was drinking.

You might, but if you’re an 18year old fresher, away from home and heavily drinking for the first time, can you tell the difference between a double shot or quadruple shot of vodka mixed with half a pint of red bull or juice?

Or the difference between a really strong drink and a normal strength one through a straw where the spirits are sat at the bottom of the glass so you get a neat sip when your straw is at the bottom?

@MargaritaPie

Vodka is clear but it has a very strong unique taste. I think I'd notice if someone put 4 extra shots of it in whatever I was drinking.

4 extra shots, possibly. But how about just one more in each of your drinks over the course of a couple of hours?

I know it was accepted when I was out drinking that after a few drinks you stopped being so aware of the taste of what you were drinking, so I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to add slightly more alcohol to someone's drink, especially once they'd already had a couple, without them realising. Keep doing that over the course of an evening and the result would be someone much further over their limit than they expected to be.

Alcohol spiking doesn't have to involve surresptitiously adding a vodka shot, it could be as simple as buying someone a double when they asked for a single.
Or even just buying someone drinks faster than they intend to drink.
After a few, your warning senses wane, and tbh you can do this to yourself without anyone intervening, so if someone maliciously wanted to do it, it would be very easy.

@Titsywoo

DH was talking to a friend who works in a bar recently and he has colleagues that have been approached by men offering to pay them to slip drugs into womens drinks. So looking after your drink will not be enough if you are unlucky enough to be targetted. Very very disturbing and I am thankful that my older teen isn't into going out to pubs and bars.

All this DH's friend's colleague's stuff is too far removed for me.

I don't think it's helpful unless it's 100% verified

There's another one now popped up on social media saying she was injected in pizza hut in Liverpool
It all seems a bit... off

"But how about just one more in each of your drinks over the course of a couple of hours"

I make a point of not leaving my drinks unattended, and if I needed to say use the bathroom I would finish my drink so I'm not leaving anything behind.

Anyway here's another link on the alleged needle spiking matter. Apparently there are very few drugs that you could just put into a needle and stab someone for the purpose of date-rape. The drugs which would be suitable aren't easily accessible and it would require technical and medical knowledge. What you may have seen in movies isn't real.

www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/22/stop-this-moral-panic-over-injection-spiking/

There's another one now popped up on social media saying she was injected in pizza hut in Liverpool
It all seems a bit... off

I agree. The pizza link is a red flag.
Pizzagate, the batshit conspiracy theory, promoted by at least one dubious poster here, that paedophiles use pizza as a secret symbol to indicate their proclivities.

I am also mindful of the recent horrific events in Travis Scott Asroworld event

Astroworld security guard retracts story that he was injected with drugs
The guard now says he "was struck in his head, went unconscious, and woke up in the security tent”

www.nme.com/news/music/astroworld-security-guard-retracts-story-that-he-was-injected-with-drugs-3092878

Travis Scott: Astroworld conspiracy theory TikTok videos taken down
Conspiracy theory videos about the fatal crush at Travis Scott's Astroworld festival are being taken off TikTok, the video platform says.
Eight people died and hundreds were injured when crowds at the rapper's headline set in Houston, Texas, rushed towards the stage.
Conspiracy theories that have spread on social media include claims the crush was a ritualistic sacrifice.
A TikTok spokesman told Newsbeat it was removing any suspicious content.
Some conspiracy theorists have said the crowd was put under a spell before the crush, and phrases such as "Astroworld sacrifice" have been trending online since the tragedy.
Others have linked the date of the event to the establishment of the Church of Satan and claim the rapper's lyrics are also of a Satanic nature.
Satanism is defined as worshipping the devil, and typically involves rejecting Christian symbols and practices - such as by placing crosses upside down.

www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-59236471

Of course we have to be careful of dot-joining ourselves, however once you are aware of the underlying themes, (in these cases injections = evil, pizza = evil and "satanic sacrifices") it is becomes easier to develop antennae to assist with discernment

My friend said she’d heard of cases where female uni students were paid to act as go betweens/scouts to identify potential victims. Making sure they ended up in the right bar/club and sometimes even slipping things in their drinks. Also acting as false witnesses and saying things like “oh, I think she just drunk too much” or vouching that the victim had a history of recreational drug abuse etc. Doing it this way is less likely to raise suspicion because girls don’t expect their ‘friends’ to do this, despite not really knowing these other girls very well at all with it being freshers week etc.

The evidence around this seems quite dubious.

I also think it's not at all uncommon for people to be much more affected by drink than they expected, and for it to come on suddenly, especially if they are younger, and are dancing, talking, etc. I've had it happen myself on more than one occasion. It's easy to drink more than you planned, to lose track. And sometimes something like being ill, a medication, food or lack thereof, can change your perceptions and response.

Drink spiking happens but people also regularly have these other kinds of experiences. I'm less convinced about needle spiking being anywhere near common.

@WhiteVanWoman91

My friend said she’d heard of cases where female uni students were paid to act as go betweens/scouts to identify potential victims. Making sure they ended up in the right bar/club and sometimes even slipping things in their drinks. Also acting as false witnesses and saying things like “oh, I think she just drunk too much” or vouching that the victim had a history of recreational drug abuse etc. Doing it this way is less likely to raise suspicion because girls don’t expect their ‘friends’ to do this, despite not really knowing these other girls very well at all with it being freshers week etc.

Yeah, right. Every would-be rapist is going to enter into an elaborate conspiracy with an accomplice who could then get him banged up if she testified against him - because that's so much easier than just going to a club and targeting a girl who is already quite drunk.

@WhiteVanWoman91

My friend said she’d heard of cases where female uni students were paid to act as go betweens/scouts to identify potential victims. Making sure they ended up in the right bar/club and sometimes even slipping things in their drinks. Also acting as false witnesses and saying things like “oh, I think she just drunk too much” or vouching that the victim had a history of recreational drug abuse etc. Doing it this way is less likely to raise suspicion because girls don’t expect their ‘friends’ to do this, despite not really knowing these other girls very well at all with it being freshers week etc.

This type of thing just screams urban myth.

I think I put some posts earlier saying why I thought this injecting thing was vanishingly unlikely. And that I was taking that view until /if it turns out not to be.

It's gone quiet in the news about this I think?

Also that the posts on here where there all this organised stuff going on involving everyone from your friends to every man in the club to the bar staff and etc is scaremongering.

I think I mentioned earlier that-

Alcohol is the most common substance used to get someone in a state where they are v vulnerable. And the issue with alcohol is it's seen essentially as normal for men to try and get girls more pissed than they might have intended as it lowers inhibitions. So there's a huge issue there because one is well not great but expected while the other is terrible and where is the line... And that's pretty uncomfortable for the public at large to really think about. So scare stories about complex and tricky (extremely unlikely) organised groups, needles and drugs it is.

When in fact if a bloke or blokes want to attack a woman they can just find a drunk one get her hammered and take her away with them, or grab a woman off a quiet street. If she's really really pissed then not difficult and likely no consequences.

I mean the paranoia.

Other female students acting on behalf of rapists.
Going to all the risk and effort and with obvious poor risk of getting what you want, by going around injecting strangers.
Bar staff in on it. Tampering with drinks.
Your friends who you trust at uni drugging you for no obvious reasons and nothing happening while target drugged.
Plus all the other things on the thread.

The aim seems to be to put the fear of God info women about going out in the evening and having a couple of drinks!

Which is always the focus when it comes to sexual assaults which is nonsensical anyway in terms of risk.

I imagine it's actually about some kind of societal puritan thing still lurking.

Pisses me off tbh.

Most men are perfectly nice and normal and fine. Obv some aren't and sadly you can't tell which. In the end it's luck whether you cross the path of a dodgy man and he sees an opportunity.

Yes women and men should exercise common sense.

But I mean FGS if you believed all this you'd be a paranoid wreck.

Some of it does sound a bit far fetched, but it's uncommon for women to be used to lure now victims to be mugged - on dating sites and in bars. Google will bring up dozens of stories. This is just another version with female victims.

'Not uncommon' I meant

''Lure male victms' that is

Can't seem to type this morn.

My friend said she’d heard of cases where female uni students were paid to act as go betweens/scouts to identify potential victims. Making sure they ended up in the right bar/club and sometimes even slipping things in their drinks. Also acting as false witnesses and saying things like “oh, I think she just drunk too much” or vouching that the victim had a history of recreational drug abuse etc. Doing it this way is less likely to raise suspicion because girls don’t expect their ‘friends’ to do this, despite not really knowing these other girls very well at all with it being freshers week etc.

My (now ex) friend's friend heard that covid vaccines implant memory chips in your body so that Bill Gates can manipultate the masses to create an army of brainwashed sheeple droids to uphold the satanic NWO.

Could it be true??!! (gasps and clutches pearls)

I don't think it's that far fetched that other women could be used as bait. It's extremely common in the trafficking world with nearly 40% of suspected sex traffickers being women.

Women Play a Significant Role in Sex-Trafficking Operations

www.insider.com/women-play-a-large-role-in-sex-trafficking-operations-2019-8%3famp

www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/women-play-a-large-role-in-sex-trafficking-operations-2019-8%3famp

First link not working for some reason.

You seem to be going off at a tangent.

Based on one thing you know about, you're assuming it happens for other things.

Women luring / targeting other women to be drugged and raped.

Women can be sex traffickers.

When it comes to women and girls being sexually attacked, you want to focus on your idea that other women are the thing to talk about?