Female students are being injected now with date rape drugs in nightclubs

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I won't post the Facebook post I saw because its on a forum but apparently there have been several reported incidents of students in Exeter nightclubs being injected in the back (not by people they are with) while out. The newspapers really need to get on this story and nightclubs who are reportedly batting back complaints saying that the women are just drunk need to deal with this criminality on their premises. We are not prey.

Nearly half is a big %.

The whole spiking by injection scare story is yet another way to make young women's worlds smaller. There is enough for them to be scared of IRL, without creating bogeymen with hypodermic syringes. And it's being fed by their mothers' generation, who are old enough to know better. Let's empower our daughters to be safe, not teach them to be frightened of shadows.

Got a link with the stats? Roles etc? Re sex trafficking.

Taking that % and saying that loads of women are assisting men in luring women in nightclubs for them to rape is as you said. An assumption (and a strange one!).

You do feel that focusing on your idea that women in clubs are commonly involved in finding victims for men to rape is a bigger issue than the men sexually assaulting and raping. Is the message I'm getting.

Do you think when it comes to sex offences committed by men, there's a massive number of women involved who are getting away with it including not being reported in the media?

I didn't say it was prolific, you've misquoted me there.

You might want to examine why you get so irate when somebody mentions that women can be offenders as well as victims.

'My friend said she’d heard of cases where female uni students were paid to act as go betweens/scouts to identify potential victims. Making sure they ended up in the right bar/club and sometimes even slipping things in their drinks. Also acting as false witnesses and saying things like “oh, I think she just drunk too much” or vouching that the victim had a history of recreational drug abuse etc. '

'I don't think it's that far fetched that other women could be used as bait. It's extremely common in the trafficking world with nearly 40% of suspected sex traffickers being women'

Still interested to see link/s to 40% stat.

You certainly seemed to imply that it was not uncommon. With the 40% thing being stated (about something else and link please!).

I'm not irate just bemused at your groundless idea that uni girls out clubbing are likely being lured by other uni girls for men to sexually assault/ rape.

And firmly focusing on that guesswork scenario rather than the men who sexually assault and rape!

If this were a thing then if reported to police they/ the media would have been putting that info out there...

Is it not the link above? Article is called 'A shocking 38% of sex trafficking suspects are women.'

Link says page not found. I was interested in countries roles etc etc.

Anyway. That stat was supplied in response to this statement -

'My friend said she’d heard of cases where female uni students were paid to act as go betweens/scouts to identify potential victims. Making sure they ended up in the right bar/club and sometimes even slipping things in their drinks. Also acting as false witnesses and saying things like “oh, I think she just drunk too much” or vouching that the victim had a history of recreational drug abuse etc.'

Which was met with. Come on. This is not a 'thing'. The idea that random girls at uni will take cash to lure other uni students for men to rape. Is not a 'thing'. If it was we'd know. It would be in news etc. Not to mention the perjury etc. And by stating a history of a woman they don't know? Right yep sure.

The post straight after says that original link doesn't work and posts another one. Did you read the thread?

Yes :) I've been on it for ages.

I'm interested in link but I still don't see how it supports the info from a friend of pp that female uni students are luring other female students to be raped by men. Giving 'false witness' which sounds rather biblical etc.

You've obv read link what do you think about linking that piece to female students facilitating rape by luring them in nightclubs? Even from the title I can't see how it can be reasonably be seen to suggest that UK students are doing this as a thing to look out for.

The link in the article to the original un report doesn't work unfortunately. Maybe because quite old.

V interesting though and if anyone wants to start a thread happy to join.

From what I could find it's a global figure, with a lot of caveats.

I cannot see how it makes it at all likely that female uni students in the UK are being paid to lure other students for men to rape. I mean not impossible but very unlikely to be a thing that is general.

The original source was a friend of the poster so seems pretty as are many of the scare stories on this thread.

Something for another thread for sure, the UN source document would be v helpful.

My dp heard of something similar happening in Notts to a girl, there was also a ring involved- put on her by a woman. He said he thinks it said sweetcakes or sweetiecakes on it- it was second hand info so not 100% sure on the details.

Sorry that was meant to reply to a specific post but I'm not used to using MN on my phone

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Wow! I am shocked by these responses.. I couldn't sleep well last night as I was so shocked about what happened to *** this weekend. Her mum doesn't want her name plastered all over the internet, which is understandable.

I've been doing some internet searches this morning to try and find out more about what could have been in the jab, and if there are many more cases. Found this thread and decided I wanted to comment on it so had to sign up to do so. If you want to check me out then you're welcome to view my FB profile, just message me!
I have two daughters myself, aged 7&10 so it's really moved and upset me!
It could be a numbing cream, wipe etc.. I don't know; she obviously didn't see and this is what she has been told at the hospital. She didn't know it was an injection until after and didn't believe you wouldn't feel it but imagine a busy night club on a Saturday night, people are always bumping into people. It happened at Rock City on Sat 16th. They've tested her for HIV and hepatitis and now she's awaiting results.

There is a movement on Instagram called 'girls night in' encouraging girls to boycott the night club industry for one night (think this is specific to Nottingham) to raise awareness. There definitely are other cases.. I will be warning people and trying to prevent this or anything worse happening to any other young students.

Twas this post I was aiming to reply to

This Mamma- it said sweetcakes? Sorry not sure do you mean a pill?

What happened to her? A ring? God sounds terrifying.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-58790190
BBC: My drink was spiked on night out, says minister Mims Davies

I really hope her going public and writing to Priti Patel about it prompts the government to actually take meaningful and swift action. So far they’ve made some positive noises but drink spiking and this needle thing are all part of the same predatory abuse to try to incapacitate women in order to attack them.

It’s completely unacceptable that drug classification and therefore the criminal penalties doesn’t seem to take account of when/how drugs are used to enable terrible crimes against other people. We know rapists buy and use these products. Why isn’t sale being controlled properly?

This Minister is right to try to get the government to act to stop anyone easily buying these drugs at source. I really appreciate her making it public and taking a stand on this because it won’t be easy to do that as a woman in the public eye. (Not saying that it’s easy for anyone else to do that either, of course). I’m very grateful to everyone that’s spoken up. I’m going to write to her to thank her.
From the BBC article, just to show how nothing has been done yet:

‘The employment minister, who is the MP for Mid Sussex, has written to Home Secretary Priti Patel to ask what more can be done to tackle spiking.
"We should be restricting who on earth can get hold of these products, as we would in any other sphere," she says.
"What on earth is in those products? Who's buying them and who's sourcing them? There's more to this than meets the eye."
The Alcohol Education Trust says hundreds of people a year are thought to be victims of drink-spiking, where alcohol or drugs - such as tranquillisers, amphetamines or GHB, also called liquid ecstasy - are added without their knowledge.
Often this is done as a prank, but many victims have been subject to robbery or sexual assault.
Drink-spiking is a serious offence and carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.
In March, the government announced that GHB would be upgraded from a class C to a class B drug after what Home Secretary Priti Patel called its "truly sickening" use in high-profile rape cases.
It is yet to table the necessary legislation to make that happen.
GHB was the substance used by post-graduate student Reynhard Sinaga, who was jailed for a minimum of 30 years in 2020 for drugging and sexually assaulting 48 men in his flat in Manchester.
Rohypnol is a tranquilizer used to treat sleep disorders but has also been used to spike drinks and is a class C drug.’

If you’re worried about this issue now could be a good time to write to your MP. Unfortunately it seems like a lot of pressure will have to be put on to get effective or swift action on this. That in itself is basic sexism but we can’t just sit back and let women be excluded from going out and socialising. Class B and C categorisation is just not a deterrent at all. Surely it needs to be made class A offence and with the strongest possible sentencing attached, to actually deter anyone from this predatory behaviour?

I believe that there are extremely strong indicators of trolls posting on this thread.

I would be pleased to post my reasons for this belief, however, before I do that, I wanted to post some links to educational videos about trolls and troll farms in relation to state actors.

I posted a thread on AIBU with many links to videos on this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4413857-To-request-a-Mumsnet-skeptical-rational-section-for-questioning-and-debunking-fake-news?msgid=112892469#112892469

I am extremely pushed for time this morning, but just wanted to include the links in case any other readers wanted to check them out.

I will post more later today or tomorrow