Shamima Begum - misogyny at its finest?

[Schmoana]

Just saw the interview on GMB. It has struck me for a long time that there are hundreds of male ISIS fighters who are British citizens who have been allowed back and prosecuted where appropriate, even without grooming being a factor, and having been directly involved in killing. It’s hardly even reported. But this one woman has been vilified by the British people and British media, and made the figurehead of all that is wrong with ISIS. Her British citizenship has been stripped for populism.

Why is this one woman being held to different standards? What is the difference here between her and the hundreds of men who have been accepted back?

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@KidneyBeans
The option on whether states have an obligation to repatriate their citizens who joined ISIS is still open for debate,

U.K. already decided not to repatriate ANY ISIS members. None. Why do you think you know better than all your government?[/quote]
Also just for clarity that statement isn't mine. It's a quote from the article I linked to.

So no it's not just me that 'thinks I know better than my government'

The challenge of repatriation of international terrorists is a very topical one, and not one that current international legislation is equipped to deal with.
Hence my focus on ethical responsibility rather than relying on law that isn't fit for this purpose as you are

She isnt British now. The more I read about this the more I think it was the right decision. She went around with a rifle enforcing strict Islamic dress code. And worse apparently. Let her get a taste of her own medicine.

@PlanDeRaccordement

Except for the U.S.A. (Member if the UN Security Council) that has repatriated ALL of its terrorist citizens and is encouraging other nations to do so. I think we should probably be rethinking our actions when the USA is ahead of us in taking responsibility for criminal justice and global security

Lol. No they haven’t. You are lying. When Indonesia sponsored a U.N. Security Council resolution earlier in 2020 on the repatriation of ISIS foreign fighters, France, USA and U.K. all used their veto power to oppose it, asking for the removal of language about “mandatory” repatriation and instead making it an individual decision for each country. There are still formerly American women in the Syrian camps awaiting prosecution.

We encourage countries to take back their foreign terrorist fighters and associated dependents from Syria and Iraq,” the State Department wrote in an e-mail to FRONTLINE. “The United States believes that repatriation, prosecution as appropriate, and rehabilitation and reintegration is the best way to keep fighters off the battlefield and address the humanitarian crisis in detention centers and [internally displaced people] camps in [northeast] Syria.”

You're right in that not all have them have been repatriated but Biden has committed to continuing the process.

So no, not lying

@Viviennemary

She isnt British now. The more I read about this the more I think it was the right decision. She went around with a rifle enforcing strict Islamic dress code. And worse apparently. Let her get a taste of her own medicine.

So you are comfortable with the British children of immigrants from certain countries effectively having fewer rights as citizens than those with parents born in the UK or other countries? You think that's it's fair to treat people differently because of who their parents are?

@AlexaShutUp

I still don't understand why anyone thinks she should have fewer rights than any other British citizen simply by virtue of her parents' place of birth. Are we now saying that the British children of immigrant parents are actually second class citizens who are not quite as British as the rest of us? I find that approach very troubling indeed.

She doesn’t have fewer rights. If she were only British, she’d still be in Syria awaiting trial because U.K. isn’t repatriating any of its citizens who joined ISIS. Which is approved by the U.N.

Being a dual citizen doesn’t make you second class, you are privileged to be a citizen of more than one country. To be stripped of one citizenship is the removal of a privilege most people do not have, and is only done if you’ve committed serious crimes against that country which amount to treason.

Just because a country vetoes mandatory repatriation that doesn't mean they aren't actively involved in repatriation.
Those things are not mutually exclusive
LOL

@KidneyBeans
An email by some random in the US State Dept hardly replaces an actual vote before the U.N. by US representative.

She doesn’t have fewer rights.
Where's her passport, and consular support then @PlanDeRaccordement ?

@KalvinPhillipsManBun

She is a security risk and you are defending her just because she is female? I am sure our intelligence services are fully aware more than you any of us as to why she is not allowed to return.

It's not about defending.

It's about the fact she was born here schooled here raised here. She is ours. Our problem.

A problem we should take seriously. How did she become radicalised?
How did she know how to book flights get away from family, go through passport control. On her own? To Syria which was dangerous when she went. Did that not raise flags? She was 15 and on her own or maybe with some other schoolchildren.

To fucking Syria.

Or was someone with them? To make it seem legit? Who? Where are they now?

I mean the whole thing is totally red flags.

Who paid for their flights out?

If they did, why no flags raised about school kids booking flights to bloody Syria???

@KidneyBeans

Just because a country vetoes mandatory repatriation that doesn't mean they aren't actively involved in repatriation. Those things are not mutually exclusive LOL

Lol but you lied saying they had repatriated all their ISIS citizens. They haven’t. Numerous American women are in the Syrian camps right now, facing trial, etc.

God I don't get it

She's as British as they come

Born here raised here

We need to deal with her.

I don't understand why not.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@KidneyBeans
An email by some random in the US State Dept hardly replaces an actual vote before the U.N. by US representative.[/quote]
And as already pointed out a vote to not make the process mandatory is not the same as no active engagement in the process.

There's existing USA Repatriation and conviction data - the process is happening.
But sure deny reality if you think it helps you to make your point

www.usip.org/blog/2021/05/we-must-try-isis-terrorists-or-risk-creating-new-ones

@NiceGerbil
She didn’t book flights to Syria. She booked to flights to Turkey. Like many do to go on holiday....

Lol but you lied saying they had repatriated all their ISIS citizens. They haven’t. Numerous American women are in the Syrian camps right now, facing trial, etc.

No I made an error - which I admitted to.
But sure - keep on shouting 'liar' and 'racist' if you think name-calling makes your argument stronger.

It doesn't btw

@KidneyBeans

She doesn’t have fewer rights. Where's her passport, and consular support then *@PlanDeRaccordement* ?

She doesn’t have fewer rights. I'd suggest that's a bit of a porky tbh. And repeated several times

Passport
consular support
Residency
Not to experience capital punishment in her 'home' nation

Being a dual citizen doesn’t make you second class, you are privileged to be a citizen of more than one country. To be stripped of one citizenship is the removal of a privilege most people do not have, and is only done if you’ve committed serious crimes against that country which amount to treason.

That would be reasonable for someone who had been naturalised as a British citizen. Or possibly even for someone who had chosen to be in possession of two passports. However, it is not at all reasonable to apply the same logic to someone who was born a British citizen and had never laid claim to any other. It is purely an accident of birth and it is discriminatory.

Her British citizenship should not have been removed. She should have been treated in exactly the same way as the other British nationals in Syria. Treating her differently because of her parentage is treating her like a second class citizen with fewer rights, whether you want to admit it or not.

@NiceGerbil

God I don't get it

She's as British as they come

Born here raised here

We need to deal with her.

I don't understand why not.

Me neither, @NiceGerbil. I don't get it at all.

@KidneyBeans
Seriously you link me to an activist blog and pretend it’s US policy? Whatever.

Well you’ll have to change the mind of the entire United Nations on that....good luck.

I assume this is a lie also @PlanDeRaccordement since the USA are already actively involved in the process of repatriation. Which was the point I was making.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@KidneyBeans
Seriously you link me to an activist blog and pretend it’s US policy? Whatever.[/quote]
So you're denying the USA are actively repatriating terrorists?
Odd the DOJ disagrees with you.

www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-has-repatriated-27-americans-syria-and-iraq-including-ten-charged-terrorism

Or not

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@KidneyBeans
Seriously you link me to an activist blog and pretend it’s US policy? Whatever.[/quote]
I mean you could always educate yourself....
But my impression is that's way too much trouble

@AlexaShutUp
She should have been treated in exactly the same way as the other British nationals in Syria.

Oh I agree. She should face trial just like white British girl Nora Camali did in Syria. But, no what Begum wants is special treatment. She wants to be brought back to UK.

@PlanDeRaccordement
I'm sure you know better (it seems to be a recurring theme if yours) but:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joe-biden-urges-western-allies-to-bring-back-isis-families-held-in-syria-sng77cngg

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-rejects-white-house-calls-to-repatriate-jihadists-and-their-families-from-syria-95pt8lk8g

english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2021/02/10/Biden-government-supports-repatriating-jihadists-US-diplomat-

@KidneyBeans
So you're denying the USA are actively repatriating terrorists?

No, I am pointing out you lied when you said the US had repatriated ALL their terrorist citizens. When they have not. Apparently according to your link they’ve repatriated a grand total of 27. Far cry from the estimated 300-500....

@Babdoc

OP, Begum also has Bangladeshi citizenship, through her Bangladeshi parents. If she is so desperate to get out of Syria, she can go there tomorrow. The UK is legally entitled to remove citizenship from anyone who has a dual nationality elsewhere, as Begum has.

Only Bangladesh are denying she is a citizen. Whether she is or not is not up to the British Gov. to decide. Bangladesh don't want her either. She has to go somewhere.