Plymouth mass shooter was an incel

[FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]

Reports say that Jake Davison, 23, who killed six people yesterday in Plymouth including himself, was part of the Incel movement. He's had a YouTube channel moaning about how I one wanted to have sex with him.

Well I'm not surprised unfortunately but the question is will ANYTHING be done about the violent misogyny that is ever prevalent these days from these types of men? Will mass action be taken against these incel groups the way extremist groups were targeted after other terrorist attacks? Or will this be fobbed off as a lone wolf and we will be told that men who despise women to the point of becoming violent are nothing to worry about?

Will women start being protected?

Place your bets please. I've got a funny feeling the answer is 'no'

Just because it wasn’t committed with a religious motive doesn’t mean that it isn’t terrorism. The incel movement is an ideology in itself with misogyny as their core belief.

I wish this danger would be taken more seriously but I’m afraid it won’t happen.
Women’s issues are usual ignored or at the bottom of the priority list. It’s utterly depressing and sometimes I feel relieved my DC is a boy and not a girl. I would feel very worried about what kind of world this is becoming for us females.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

I don’t think white people can be terrorists?

I don't understand this comment. Are you very young? I'm 33, until 9/11 the only terrorists I had any awareness of was the IRA.

This is just such a horrible, horrible incident. I'm not surprised at all he had links to the incel movement. Agree with previous posts- misogyny should be a hate crime. And there absolutely needs to be an active campaign to stop this movement.

We do know. I haven't watched any of his YouTube rants and don't intend to, but reports and clips on Twitter and in the media indicate that he was quite clear about his incel identity.

I can really really really recommend a book called Men who Hate Women by Laura Bates about the incel movement and what can be done to prevent it

She spoke to some very knowledgeable experts in various fields in her book, and there are some very obvious things that can and should be done

And the first is for governments to recognise it as a form of terrorism

The exeter bomber was white, he was described as a terrorist.

The whole story is not yet known by the public about this man.

This is the book…

www.waterstones.com/book/men-who-hate-women/laura-bates/9781398504653

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Being old, I never think of terrorism as being 'non-White ' Are the troubles in Northern Ireland so long ago?

@Lockheart

Your headline is missing the important qualifier "reports say".

I would personally bet money that he was, but let's not start presenting rumour and speculation as fact until it's known.

It is known

There are videos of him where he identifies himself as an incel

We don’t need the police or authorities to watch the same videos and make a public declaration before it becomes fact.
It’s already a matter of public record from his own admissions

I don’t think white people can be terrorists?

Not true. One of the main targets of the government’s ‘Prevent’ strategy is white extremists, i.e. white supremacists, nazis, etc.

What I find remarkable is that it's always a man. Like, even before any other details are released, you can bet your house that it's a man. Regardless of whether they're an Incel / Muslim / Nazi / IRA etc it's always a man. Surely this is a man problem and we need to be looking at why men have such aggression? If it was any other group committing these atrocities with such regularity we'd have gone to war with them.

Can we all stop with the total sense of humour failures around @Itsprobablynotcominghome ‘s post now

It’s really very well known that enforcement agencies worldwide fall over themselves to reframe terrorist incidents by white perpetrators as anything but terrorist incidents

If this has passed you by, Google is —->

For some reason people seem to associate terrorism with bombs and more staged violent acts.
Mass shootings end up being described as uncontrollable acts of violence, usually carried by a mentally stable individual, rather than a group.

The incel forums in fact frequently discuss very deliberate planned actions- in a typical terrorist mode.
They should be banned or at least reclassified and carefully monitored.
It's clear that (some) men who frequent these forums are now starting to cross the line.
The world is getting increasingly dangerous for women.

@ThisIsStartingToBoreMe

I don’t think white people can be terrorists?

What the bloody hell do you think the IRA are then?

IRA, UVF, Combat 18. That's just off the top of my head. Are you aware that 20% of all terrorists in UK prisons today are white supremacists?

The incel ideology is treated differently because its target is women, not because of ethnicity or religious belief. But I think you knew that really.

Sorry, ThisIsStartingToBoreMe. My comment was directed at Itsprobablynotcominghome, and at anyone else who sees an element at play with the classification of terrorism that simply isn't there.

The reluctance to label white mass shooters as terrorists is a US phenomenon, isn't it? This in spite of the fact that most mass killings in the US have been carried out by white men or teenage boys.

Surely the free availability of porn plays a role too in that it presents a world in which attractive young women are seen to be freely available and willing to have all kinds of sex. I can imagine this feeds into an unstable male ego as "it is available, I want it, I should be able to have it"?

@karasviper

Police saying this isn’t terrorist attack. Why? Definition on CPS website:

‘ Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public. It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

Examples include:

serious violence against a person or damage to property,
endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action),
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public,
action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.’

Incel is an ideology. So why isn’t this terrorism?

I doubt that it's regarded as "designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public".

It is terrorism.

Pure and simple.

I don’t like, I don’t feel, it isn’t fair, I want = I will go out and kill because if I don’t get what I want then I am going to create pain, death and misery for others.

Until the likes of wee nippy and others in positions of power recognise that misogyny is thriving under their eye, then this will keep happening.

Although apparently up here, 4 year olds choosing what to identify as and adults having to comply is more important.

My sibling wanted to be a horse. Should she have been given a bag of hay for break time? I vote neigh.

But I’d almost be at the point of asking girls to identify as anything but a girl/young woman to protect themselves from entitled women haters.

It could be that we haven't been able to say that the murders were because of his ideological beliefs. It could be that he lost his temper (for what ever reason) and committed this awful act out of anger.

Now, it may be that as the investigation goes on - it will be discovered that he has done this because of his beliefs (we might find a letter etc) then it would become a terrorist incident.

Looking at the pictures of him - he wasnt my type, but he was pretty standard looking for a young overweight man.

What I am trying to say is it wasnt a looks issue which I can sympathise slightly with - but clearly a personality problem and a lack of socialising which was his issue.

I am not sure how these incels think they are going to find a partner stuck in their bedrooms behind a computer or in this case working up a crane.

These people are brain washed. They think a woman should just fall out the sky. There is no logic.

designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public

It may not be the former but I would argue it is the latter.

It is intimidating to me that someone who thinks he is owed sex/preferential treatment from beautiful women or indeed any woman he chooses should kill because he isn’t getting his own way.

I’m an ugly fat woman in my 50s so am unlikely to be what they want. If I didn’t sleep with someone back in the day I got called anything from ungrateful, frigid or a stuck up slag.

Not princely I grant you. But wounded pride didn’t mean people got killed or wounded.

@Lockheart

Your headline is missing the important qualifier "reports say".

I would personally bet money that he was, but let's not start presenting rumour and speculation as fact until it's known.

He has a YouTube channel where he speaks about the incel movement and inability to get laid

@Ifonlyus

If it were treated as terrorism, it could at least feature as part of Prevent Training and potentially flag up the need for intervention.

I expect most of the public view this type of incident as being committed by a lone weirdo. Rather than it being part of a wider orchestrated movement spanning continents.

Isn't Laura Bates new book about this? She spoke at my DDs school and also addressed parents. Parents were warned to look out for their SONS as they are being groomed into this type of movement during former secondary school years. A lot can be done if the problem is acknowledged and named.

I agree.

@3ormorecharacters

What I find remarkable is that it's always a man. Like, even before any other details are released, you can bet your house that it's a man. Regardless of whether they're an Incel / Muslim / Nazi / IRA etc it's always a man. Surely this is a man problem and we need to be looking at why men have such aggression? If it was any other group committing these atrocities with such regularity we'd have gone to war with them.

Yes, we need to Name The Problem.

Except suggesting we Name The Problem causes FAR more outrage than any level of VAWG ever did