Page 21 | Noel Clarke sexual harassment allegations, suspended by BAFTA

Cwenthryth · 2021-04-29T19:41:10+00:00

[[https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/apr/29/actor-noel-clarke-accused-of-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women]] 🤬🤬🤬 Especially galling that BAFTA was seemingly made aware of this ^before^ giving him his very recent honour. I watched his acceptance speech and found it really moving in terms of celebrating a working class black man’s success in a historically white industry. Turns out he’s an (alleged) sexual abuser. Fucking great.

Alcemeg · 30/04/2021 21:20

[quote DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat]Can anyone verify this? Or was DH on very strong drugs 🤣
Was he is NY at the time?
intl.startrek.com/article/all-aboard-the-patrick-stewart-bus-really[/quote]
@DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat

No, it was in Leeds, the Arriva 201 or 202, a few years ago.

DH not bullshitting type.

Sorry to slip this in on a serious thread. Rather depressing that yet another tosser has got away with it for so long. Hurraaaaah for everyone who had the courage to expose him!

Unsure33 · 30/04/2021 21:23

@nightbear

Innocent until proven guilty Is the base of our legal system which although is not perfect is the most respected in the world. It does not mean people should get away with anything . And it definitely does not mean in this case that people are doubting the claims

I bet you would believe it if you were accused of something you did not do , like being an child abuser and it was all over your local paper .

Then you go to court and all the jury are from your village .

This is what trial by media is .

And now he is happily building up his defence also in the public eye.

LizzieSiddal · 30/04/2021 21:24

“Britain's Harvey Weinstein”

He’s done awful things but he’s not in the league of Weinstein. Weinstein raped many many, women.

Stormer · 30/04/2021 21:26

Those tweets are disgusting.

It was either at the start of this thread or on Reddit (or both), but I've read posts in the last day where people were saying they remember he used to tweet a lot of misogynistic stuff back in the day.

Those talking about the courts being the proper place for this and why is it done during the media: social media is one of the reasons why. Very easy to find and posts old tweets, or to screenshot messages sent. That IS evidence, as is verbal testimony backed up by witnesses, and that same evidence being used by newspapers/websites will be used by the police.

CarmelBeach · 30/04/2021 21:26

@weewitch

Those tweets are horrendous - I actually had to stop reading them. I can't believe he continued to work after just a few of those tweets and if he's happy to tweet that publicly, goodness only knows what he's like in private.

Yes! It's disappointing that no one he worked with objected to the tweets.

As for being unable to remember if you sent a dick pic or not....jeez.

Nightbear · 30/04/2021 21:34

It’s the basis of our criminal justice system. That is, you can’t be convicted for a criminal offence by a court of law unless the jury finds you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If a paper printed that someone was a paedophile they could sue the paper for libel. As truth is an absolute defence to that, the paper would have to prove that claim but not to ‘a reasonable doubt’. Civil law uses the balance of probabilities. ‘Beyond a reasonable doubt’ is the standard we hold for someone to be punished by the state. It’s not necessary to meet that standard to sack someone from a job, to refuse service to someone, to refuse to work with someone or to say someone has sexually harassed someone.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 30/04/2021 21:34

[quote Unsure33]@nightbear

Innocent until proven guilty Is the base of our legal system which although is not perfect is the most respected in the world. It does not mean people should get away with anything . And it definitely does not mean in this case that people are doubting the claims

I bet you would believe it if you were accused of something you did not do , like being an child abuser and it was all over your local paper .

Then you go to court and all the jury are from your village .

This is what trial by media is .

And now he is happily building up his defence also in the public eye.[/quote]
@Unsure33 you have a grace misunderstanding of how the judicial system, and how it can be reported on, works.

People "from the village" could not serve on a jury if they know you.

So few sexual assault/harrasment/rape cases get to trial...it's not like someone rocks up to a police station on a Sunday and by Tuesday some random with no evidence is in the witness box.

Not to mention the police aren't interested in the vast majority of workplace harrasment - not when it can be a HR issue.

Why are you defending this revolting man?

RUOKHon · 30/04/2021 21:34

He’s done awful things but he’s not in the league of Weinstein. Weinstein raped many many, women

Not being as bad as Harvey Weinstein is a fucking low, low bar.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 30/04/2021 21:35

*grave not grace

Unsure33 · 30/04/2021 21:36

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

So if people are saying most ( not all ) of the alleged offences are not enough to go to the police , then you are saying that he has not in affect committed a crime ? .

So what is the answer ?

Teaching our children ( and I include boys) what is acceptable and how to speak up for yourself at work ?
Which I agree is hard when you are young ?
And teaching what does constitute an actual offence so you can report them straight away ?

I did call out someone for inappropriate behaviour in an office in front of colleagues it took bravery but he never did it again . But to be fair I was not worried about losing my job .

mscynical · 30/04/2021 21:37

@Stormer
Yes, agree about Patrick Stewart. I know someone who says she had a 'thing' with him and she is 46 years his junior.

Unsure33 · 30/04/2021 21:38

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I am not defending him at all . Not once have I defended him .

I am criticising trial by media . I can’t make it any clearer .

If this came to court the trial could fail because of the information in the papers .

Get your facts right . I never once said I don’t believe the complaints.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 30/04/2021 21:39

So if people are saying most ( not all ) of the alleged offences are not enough to go to the police , then you are saying that he has not in affect committed a crime ?

Nobody is saying that. Of course it's a crime to sexually harras someone

But police have to be picky these days with limited resources. They won't even attend break ins round these parts, you get a crime number. Many forces don't investigate instances of voyuerism. It doesn't mean it's not a crime.

And the onus should not be on the victim to speak out better. If we are in the business of educating boys, educate them to move away from rape culture

Unsure33 · 30/04/2021 21:40

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

My point is when the articles are in national papers we ALL become the people from the village . Millions of people have now read about his Crimes so he is now guilty .

WarriorN · 30/04/2021 21:42

Reading this agog at him (didn't really know much about him or watched his stuff) and also BAFTA, as said upthread, a teacher would be suspended until cleared. And bloody John Barrowman.

Brilliant work at the guardian (for once.)

Unsure33 · 30/04/2021 21:42

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

At last some sort of comment on how things can be improved . Yes about education on rape and porn culture although we should not paint every male with the same brush.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 30/04/2021 21:43

@Unsure33 but what's wrong with that, when you've read what he's done? The Guardian wouldn't have published these allegations had they not been legally watertight because no one wants to be sued. In these times it's for many the only way to stop a predator in his tracks is to report it to the media. Like with any story, you believe it or you don't - but people only get upset by "trial by media" when women speak out against men.

I don't recall this kind of fury when Kevin Spacey sexually assaulted loads of men and victims spoke out.

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 30/04/2021 21:45

[quote Unsure33]@AlfonsoTheTerrible

So if people are saying most ( not all ) of the alleged offences are not enough to go to the police , then you are saying that he has not in affect committed a crime ? .

So what is the answer ?

Teaching our children ( and I include boys) what is acceptable and how to speak up for yourself at work ?
Which I agree is hard when you are young ?
And teaching what does constitute an actual offence so you can report them straight away ?

I did call out someone for inappropriate behaviour in an office in front of colleagues it took bravery but he never did it again . But to be fair I was not worried about losing my job .[/quote]
What a bizarre post. I have no idea what you are talking about as I said nothing of the sort.

CarmelBeach · 30/04/2021 21:51

I just watched the Patrick Stewart/James Corden.

I have no idea if that was staged humour that went wrong.

If not, and I suspect not, then Stewart was just being really nasty.

ladymalfoy45 · 30/04/2021 21:54

But if JB and NC were behaving like this during the filming of Doctor Who why didn’t RTD and others involved in production of the show do something about it?
Stephen Moffat and Sue Vertue?
This is what’s troubling me. My all time favourite show since the classic series has been tainted by the revelation that these producers and show runners might have known awful things were happening but they did nothing.

Sn0tnose · 30/04/2021 22:00

as son as a woman says one thing in the ball park of sexual harassment it’s taken at face value and men’s heads are put on sticks. It’s Ike women couldn’t possibly lie.

Are you having a fucking laugh?

MissBarbary · 30/04/2021 22:03

@Stormer

I'm not a fan of James Corden but I think Patrick Stewart comes across as an arse in that video. I certainly don't regard it as him standing up for what's right.

But all this detracts from what this thread is about: the serious and many allegations against Noel Clarke.

Patrick Stewart was awful there. Who is the woman who stepped in? Well done her for defusing it.

alexdgr8 · 30/04/2021 22:04

[quote mscynical]@Stormer
Yes, agree about Patrick Stewart. I know someone who says she had a 'thing' with him and she is 46 years his junior.[/quote]
but if all those partners are of adult age, which they are, it is their choice to tangle with him.
you may not choose or wish to do so, or with anyone so much older than you, but i don't see that as anything to be said against the older person.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2021 22:08

@Nightbear

It’s the basis of our criminal justice system. That is, you can’t be convicted for a criminal offence by a court of law unless the jury finds you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If a paper printed that someone was a paedophile they could sue the paper for libel. As truth is an absolute defence to that, the paper would have to prove that claim but not to ‘a reasonable doubt’. Civil law uses the balance of probabilities. ‘Beyond a reasonable doubt’ is the standard we hold for someone to be punished by the state. It’s not necessary to meet that standard to sack someone from a job, to refuse service to someone, to refuse to work with someone or to say someone has sexually harassed someone.

Jimmy Saville died before he could be charged and either convicted or not. Do you believe it wrong he is referred to as a notorious paedophile?

Unsure33 · 30/04/2021 22:09

@AlfonsoTheTerrible

Apologies if I misunderstood your post .

I was just annoyed that other posters are accusing me of defending him when I am clearly not .

This should be a situation where we campaign for change and eduction not allow the media to be judge and jury .