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Noel Clarke sexual harassment allegations, suspended by BAFTA

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Cwenthryth · 29/04/2021 20:41

www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/apr/29/actor-noel-clarke-accused-of-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women

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Especially galling that BAFTA was seemingly made aware of this before giving him his very recent honour. I watched his acceptance speech and found it really moving in terms of celebrating a working class black man’s success in a historically white industry. Turns out he’s an (alleged) sexual abuser. Fucking great.

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SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2021 22:09

[quote Queenofbeebers]His Twitter feed was showing everyone who he was a long time ago.

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/noel-clarkes-old-tweets-paint-24011573[/quote]
Wow. He HATES women.

Maggiesfarm · 30/04/2021 22:10

Yes, agree about Patrick Stewart. I know someone who says she had a 'thing' with him and she is 46 years his junior.
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I wouldn't mind having a 'thing' with him, he has a certain je ne sais quoi. I am definitely not forty six years his junior though :-).

What's he done wrong? I haven't read anything about him.

alexdgr8 · 30/04/2021 22:12

some of these comments are more in tune with what's found on GN, re sexual harassment.
and i have noticed that it is often older women who are dismissive of women's reports/complaints about such things.
walked into a neighbour in her 70s room today; his face on tv; she said well he's been a naughty boy apparently.
i tried to explain why that summary was inadequate, but i could tell she was just annoyed at my being so picky.
she said, i don't know what i can say to you. it's like the moan, you can't say anything nowadays, people take offence at everything.

Roussette · 30/04/2021 22:19

i have noticed that it is often older women who are dismissive of women's reports/complaints about such things

Please don't assume that. I'm mid 60s and no way do I dismiss this, as my previous posts show.
Maybe some do, but not me.

Roussette · 30/04/2021 22:20

Wow. He HATES women

He hates any woman who doesn't fancy him and thinks they are there to be used and abused.

alexdgr8 · 30/04/2021 22:33

@Roussette

i have noticed that it is often older women who are dismissive of women's reports/complaints about such things

Please don't assume that. I'm mid 60s and no way do I dismiss this, as my previous posts show.
Maybe some do, but not me.

no, i din't mean that; i am similar in age to you. but in my experience, of those women who are dismissive, most of them are older. like my neighbour, 70s, and her associates. it has surprised me. but if you look over on GN, there is quite a few of them. also others opposing those views.
SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2021 22:36

I think as women just had to put up with it in "those days", some of them have internalised that attitude.

Stormer · 30/04/2021 22:38

@Roussette

Wow. He HATES women

He hates any woman who doesn't fancy him and thinks they are there to be used and abused.

No, I think the previous poster was correct: he hates women, full stop.

Saying he (only) hates the women who don't fancy him misses the point: as with most or indeed all forms of sexual abuse it's about power, not lust.

He'll still hate the women who fancy him, he'll just demonstrate it in a different way. He seems to think all women are there to be used and abused, whether they fancy him or not is irrelevant.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2021 22:46

These sum up his attitude towards women. He hates us. Simultaneously despises, weaponises and objectifies our bodies. Fucking vile.

Noel Clarke sexual harassment allegations, suspended by BAFTA
Noel Clarke sexual harassment allegations, suspended by BAFTA
youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2021 22:47

And clearly sees us only in the context of transactional relationships. Sex / power / money.

Sandra15 · 30/04/2021 22:55

@youvegottenminuteslynn

These sum up his attitude towards women. He hates us. Simultaneously despises, weaponises and objectifies our bodies. Fucking vile.
How the Christ has he got away with this for so long? People were pouncing on Joanne Rowling not so long ago but nothing said about this?
Sandra15 · 30/04/2021 23:04

@Pinkearedcow

I'm not talking about the women who have made the allegations, I was talking about the women on here who don't know him, aren't making allegations but had a feeling about him

I don't think those posters would have come on here and posted if, you know, there hadn't been a huge investigative piece of journalism published where 20 women had made allegations against him.

If they had, they would have faced the same accusations that detractors of Meghan Markle faced, being accused of it being about racism. Perhaps, anyway.
youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/04/2021 23:04

@Sandra15

Madness, isn't it? Hiding in plain sight.

Thewiseoneincognito · 30/04/2021 23:08

He seemingly fooled a lot of his fans and peers by hiding in plain sight of everyone. He’s always been this way, it’s more shocking it took so long to come out.

He played everyone by shielding his behaviour behind racism and discrimination activism whilst simultaneously abusing and demeaning others he held power over. The irony being some of his male fans will have followed his lead after he made it ok to behave this way towards women for so long.

Notthatmuchroyalist · 30/04/2021 23:12

Listening to his speech after reading that article made it sound pretty vacuous. He had to work hard to get where he got ... shame he couldn't learn to be a decent human being along the way.

Its on him for not behaving appropriately and doubly bad as people looked up to him.

Annoymoususer · 30/04/2021 23:12

He's apoligised online which means there was truth in the allegations otherwise his lawyers would have advised against making any statement until a court date was set. And its shame on him, he was talented and threw it away with his behaviour.

Nightbear · 30/04/2021 23:13

Reread what I said Youvegottenminuteslynn. I’m saying that ‘innocent until proven guilty’ should only apply to how the law treats a defendant in a criminal trial. The newspapers have every right to report allegations of sexual misconduct and I have every right to say that I believe those women.

colouringindoors · 30/04/2021 23:15

Those tweets EnvyAngry

Thewiseoneincognito · 30/04/2021 23:17

@southeastdweller

BAFTA's decision to give him that award in the first place was ridiculous and probably due to them wanting to be seen as inclusive. Outstanding British contribution to cinema? He's hardly John Hurt or Mike Leigh (two previous recipients).
Definitely scraping the barrel if he was the best they could find to tick the inclusivity box. The black community do not need him tainting their legacy, shame on BAFTA for going ahead with the award knowing what was to come. I’d say dig a little deeper and I bet there’s a lot more to his nomination and those who ‘picked’ him.
MrsJamesStewart · 30/04/2021 23:18

Im not at all surprised. I used to work in the industry and about 10 years ago a female actor friend worked with him and told me how he wanted her to sit on his lap whilst he gave her 'notes' and would touch her bum as she walked past. He had all the power, she was just starting out and had none.

Nightbear · 30/04/2021 23:26

NAMALT but how many men witnessed his behaviour and kept quiet or laughed it off?

VladmirsPoutine · 30/04/2021 23:38

I think a lot of this behaviour goes on in a lot of industries and can be very low level stuff - by that I mean there are certainly things that have happened to me that I have 'explained away' to myself because it didn't amount to much. Thinking back on it it was categorically wrong but my point is all this behaviour adds up till it becomes something like this. So all the 'why now!' 'how could this have happened' is actually unhelpful.

Chienloup · 30/04/2021 23:45

@RUOKHon

We know that in this country one woman is murdered by a partner or ex partner every four days.

We know that 97% of all women have experienced some sort of sexual harassment, or worse, from men.

Today, there was a study published that found out of more than 22,000 women, over half had been raped by their partner.

At least twenty women have independently come forward about being sexually abused and bullied by NC, and one of the biggest newspapers in the country has spoken to sources who can corroborate their reports.

And yet somehow, because a vanishingly rare 1-2% of rape/sexual assault allegations are false, this thread has turned into an apology for all those perpetrators, because God Forbid we forget to centre the feelings of the Poor Menz and focus on the thousands and thousands of female victims instead.

FUCK. OFF.

Absolutely agree with all of this. I am so angry. Take a look at the Viewpoint thread in Telly Addicts - apologists in there shouting "innocent until proven guilty". Grim.
Maggiesfarm · 30/04/2021 23:48

What is GN?

JaniceBattersby · 01/05/2021 00:08

@Unsure33 you misunderstand how prejudice works in court.

There is no active case yet, so no trial to prejudice. A case is only active after arrest so that is when the papers must stick to the points they are allowed to report under the Magistrates’ Court Act 1980. There can be no prejudice before this time. During jury selection all jurors will be asked if they know the defendant. They will be continually reminded to base their verdicts on the evidence before them and not on media reports. No trial has ever collapsed because of reporting before a charge.

There may never be a trial. Many of the allegations do not meet the threshold for prosecution and there may be little remaining evidence. The women may not have the stomach for a trial. Who knows? But that doesn’t mean their allegations don’t have merit and should not be reported in the media.

There is no ‘trial by media’. These journalists are simply doing their job. There are allegations of all kind made every day (Boris Johnson’s curtains, Matt Hancock giving contracts to his mates) and nobody’s saying these potentially illegal acts shouldn’t be reported because of ‘trial by media’. We only seem to reserve that phrase for poor men accused of sex crimes..

Clarke has been convicted of no offences and has not had any ‘punishment’ that a court would hand out. If the allegations are not true and he sues for libel (which I’m sure he will if 20 women have concocted similar stories that are baseless) then he will simply re-enter the profession with a large defamation payout. Many other men have shown themselves not to be guilty, in and out of court, and resumed their entertainment careers without a stain on their character (I can think of two in Coronation Street and one Christian pop singer for a kick off).

Women have lost trust in the court system, and rightly so. I’ve sat through three rape trials in the past two months. The evidence has been compelling and I am 100 per cent sure that all three were guilty. But could it be proven beyond all reasonable doubt? No. And it rarely can where the issue at play is one of consent / non consent in a rape where physical violence is not used to force someone to have sex. So we had one hung jury and two not guilty verdicts, despite the fact that most members of the jury likely thought them guilty (it only takes one or two jurors to take a fixed stance on a not guilty verdict)

That doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen and that those women won’t live with the trauma for the rest of their lives.