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Suicidal with baby

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biscuit2403 · 07/12/2023 15:13

This is a long one, thank you for reading!

I have a gorgeous child who is 9 months old, they stay with me full time and see their dad regularly. Me and my ex partner fell pregnant after only a few months of seeing one another.

I’m 4 years older than him, at the beginning of my pregnancy I found flirty messages to girls on his phone and felt so betrayed! I felt an incredible amount of pressure in my pregnancy from his side of the family as they kept saying it better be a boy as they already had girls in the family. I originally had a great relationship with his family especially his sister.

Between the 6th & 8th month of pregnancy I found myself not feeling like me, intrusive thoughts etc I asked my partner for a night or two by myself in the 8th month to gather my thoughts, I asked him to come home and explained the suicidal thoughts I was having and he refused to come home stating if he did that’s me walking all over him. When my baby was 4 weeks old he left us because he had deleted messages to a girl he had previously slept with, I asked him if he could stop messaging these girls as it’s disrespectful and he told me he wanted to be able to message whoever he wanted as I would be controlling him if I didn’t allow him.

He left again when my baby was 16 weeks old this time because he said he was moaned at too much for things like not helping round the house, or supporting me. He’s never done a night feed, and I would constantly find that I was his mother/maid. He cooked our main meal, but he felt that because he worked, his role as a dad stopped when he got home. This caused a massive argument when he came home from work one evening and I asked him to watch our child for a couple of hours so I could nip out and get some bits, I was unable to leave the house on the days he worked as he didn’t want me to leave our dog by himself, he worked 4 on 4 off. This resulted in him comparing me to other mums he knew and saying that I was a rubbish mum.

The next time he left the baby was 20 weeks old and this was because he wanted to buy himself new clothes - he was on half pay, had already borrowed money from his dad and from myself. I told him that it was a luxury at this point and to wait on his full pay the next month, he hadn’t paid me any money for living in my home for the last year or paid anything towards his child, hadn’t so much as bought him a bib. This caused him to smash his phone off the floor, become quite aggressive and shout/call me names, this frightened me. He told me I was controlling him.

In between the times he has left we have had arguments in which we’ve insulted each other, this isn’t common but I can think of a of time where I called him a shit dad, and multiple times in which he has said the same to me and other nasty names - his favourite insult is the usual psychopath/crackpot. I’ve also insulted his Mum to him but this was because she wrote a Facebook status about me and mocked me for being upset when he has left me. I feel like they were fake to my face. I am trying to be as honest as I can here because I don’t want people to think I am playing poor me or have victim mentality.

I have felt since the time he left at 20 weeks his sister and mother have constantly made me feel like an inadequate mum, they comment on what I feed my child, where he sleeps etc, and during that argument he told me that they think I’m a nutter, never happy etc. But I feel like I was constantly biting my tongue, letting my boundaries slip for the sake of my family, eg to avoid arguments I wouldn’t ask him to watch our child for me to get a break/sleep or for me to go out alone. His sisters children come from a one parent household and she uses this as an excuse as to why they are disrespectful/undisciplined, this had came up in conversation between me and my ex daily for around two weeks because of their behaviour.

In that same two weeks my mental health took a major dip, I told my ex that I felt horrendously low and that I actually hated myself, felt worthless etc. On top of that I wasn’t getting any sleep as my child was waking up 10/12 times a night (please this is not an exaggeration)

My birthday night out came around and I did not want to go, that morning I even said to my ex I wasn’t feeling it. I knew inside something was going to go wrong. It resulted in me getting black out drunk - I rarely drink & I don’t remember anything passed 8pm, but apparently I pushed his sister & insulted her parenting. When I came home my ex was furious which resulted in me hitting him, now because I don’t remember, him and his families story has changed it went from pushed his face away, to scratched, to slap, to punch. They are now using terms like assault and attack - which I suppose technically it is. I don’t remember if he pushed me back. I have never been violent in my life.

Anyway he left that night and it was all over. This was around two months ago, and we were getting on fine until I mentioned things like maintenance payments, support I needed from him etc. I found my MH severely taking a beating. I found myself becoming literally delusional, I made a fake Snapchat using his name (wtf) I didn’t have any intention of doing anything malicious on it I think it was just an excuse to get his attention and I deleted it within seconds but he knew because I synced my contacts so since then he has blocked me and we don’t speak at all. His family are compulsive liars - eg pretend they are in hospital when they are not. They are also insanely dramatic, but my ex is the apple of their eye.

So all of this - horrendous, inexcusable, vile behaviour from myself has broken up my family.

I have been diagnosed with severe pp depression, that they think started in my pregnancy, and I am seriously considering ending it all.

I can’t forgive my actions I am the world’s worst person. I don’t know if I want to die because I am heartbroken, or because I am depressed. I have tried everything but nothing is working! I’m still in love with him and the thought of him hating me, makes me ill, especially because I have to see him for the next 18 years!

My poor beautiful child is in the middle of all of this chaos I have created!

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biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 19:30

Would either of us get granted full custody?

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FatFatMary · 08/12/2023 19:31

It’s really unlikely that the father gets full custody

WowOK · 08/12/2023 19:52

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 19:30

Would either of us get granted full custody?

It is very unlikely in the UK. I think it is possible in USA. You need to take legal advice but its not something I'd worry about. I wouldn't worry about 50:50 either. Men through this shit around but if you think about it realistically he's a lazy fucker who doesn't want to do anything. He doesn't want to do hourly wake ups. He doesn't want to cook, clean, care and parent because it's womans work. He wants 4 hours mid afternoon. He doesn't want his single life impacted and he certainly doesn't want you having a social life.

If he talks about full custody I wouldn't rise to it. I'd just reply I'm happy to do whatever the court feels is in our child's best interests.

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 20:08

WowOK · 08/12/2023 19:52

It is very unlikely in the UK. I think it is possible in USA. You need to take legal advice but its not something I'd worry about. I wouldn't worry about 50:50 either. Men through this shit around but if you think about it realistically he's a lazy fucker who doesn't want to do anything. He doesn't want to do hourly wake ups. He doesn't want to cook, clean, care and parent because it's womans work. He wants 4 hours mid afternoon. He doesn't want his single life impacted and he certainly doesn't want you having a social life.

If he talks about full custody I wouldn't rise to it. I'd just reply I'm happy to do whatever the court feels is in our child's best interests.

What should I say to him on Sunday when he picks the baby up? Should I tell him to go through mediation? Or stay silent hand over the baby and their bag, and then just not sign his lawyers letter?

Also, it’s got me thinking that he is refusing to take our baby overnight because his room is dusty and his dad’s house is cold - surely a court would laugh at his reasons? Should I fight this? A couple of overnights would probably really help me! Ideally I would say one day contact and 2 full nights. Am I a bad mum for even suggesting that?!

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WowOK · 08/12/2023 20:41

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 20:08

What should I say to him on Sunday when he picks the baby up? Should I tell him to go through mediation? Or stay silent hand over the baby and their bag, and then just not sign his lawyers letter?

Also, it’s got me thinking that he is refusing to take our baby overnight because his room is dusty and his dad’s house is cold - surely a court would laugh at his reasons? Should I fight this? A couple of overnights would probably really help me! Ideally I would say one day contact and 2 full nights. Am I a bad mum for even suggesting that?!

I don't think you're a bad mum. I think you're bothing parents and parenting should be both of your responsibilities. The thing is, you can suggest whatever you feel comfortable with, but that doesn't mean he's going to step up and do it. I think you have Bob Hope of him doing overnights. The court can't force him to have contact. They can force you to give it.

If you want to say anything I wouldn't do it at pick up or drop off time. You don't want any friction or drama in frontbof your baby. I would wait until your babies home bdfore saying anything. Then i would either email him / text him. I'd just say on reflection i think mediation is a good idea. Hopefully, having a third party present will help us to communicate so we can agree contact and ways to coparent more effectively moving forwards.

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 21:08

So what happens if I say I want overnights , he says no it goes back and forth , and it goes to court. Would they then not give him overnights just cause he’s said no? Would they just give him what he’s asked for?

He said he would take the baby overnight when the cold weather is away. But if I agree to his letter of 11-4, then I think getting overnights agreed to would be even harder.

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FatFatMary · 08/12/2023 21:31

Yeah the court can’t force him to look after the baby

WowOK · 08/12/2023 21:44

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 21:08

So what happens if I say I want overnights , he says no it goes back and forth , and it goes to court. Would they then not give him overnights just cause he’s said no? Would they just give him what he’s asked for?

He said he would take the baby overnight when the cold weather is away. But if I agree to his letter of 11-4, then I think getting overnights agreed to would be even harder.

They can not force him to have any contact. If he decides he never wants to see DC again they can't do anything about it.

I don't think 11- 4 is particularly sustainable long term but i don't think it's unreasonable for a baby twice a week. I think you'll need to review it when she goes to nursery. I also think they should be set day because consistency is best for baby.

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 23:16

But what actually happens if I say no to his letter then propose something else, does it just go back and forth until we agree?

And until we agree he just get whatever contact is available to him?

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biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 23:20

11-4 will mean that I finish at 7am after a 12 hour shift and have to stay up another 4 hours before he can collect them, it’s not suitable for me long term, or worth me putting them in to nursery if it’s going to be different days each time he takes them.

I wfh nightshift and baby stays with me full time. It would make more sense (and perhaps help my sanity) for him to take them overnight & drop them off in the afternoon.

It’s all so messy

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EyeInTheSky23 · 08/12/2023 23:46

I'm thinking your questions on this subject are more relationships or co-parenting than mental health and maybe it would really be worth starting a thread on this in either of those places; with the post from your last "conversation" with this dickhead onwards.

I have no experience of child access arrangements (yet!) and feel like I can't advise well, but there are loads of mnetters who do and could maybe advise.

EyeInTheSky23 · 09/12/2023 07:32

I forgot to say - maybe your ex will be keener to have the baby overnights when he realises that only overnights count towards reducing child maintenance payments.

That's his only way of not paying full child maintenance.

If he takes them 50-50 or more overnights, for example, he'd probably have no child maintenance to pay.

Time that's not an overnight doesn't usually count.

Seems like someone who's so stingy & bad with money (it's the male role to provide according to him, yet he lived in your home for free and paid pretty much nothing towards the baby, he also prioritised buying his clothing when you had no money and he'd already loaned money from his Dad) .... will be very keen to minimise child maintenance payments.
And you'd think his nasty relatives (sister etc) would help him out with childcare to minimise his CM too.

WowOK · 09/12/2023 08:32

biscuit2403 · 08/12/2023 23:20

11-4 will mean that I finish at 7am after a 12 hour shift and have to stay up another 4 hours before he can collect them, it’s not suitable for me long term, or worth me putting them in to nursery if it’s going to be different days each time he takes them.

I wfh nightshift and baby stays with me full time. It would make more sense (and perhaps help my sanity) for him to take them overnight & drop them off in the afternoon.

It’s all so messy

I think you need to do mediation and dicuss this there. Why can't he do set days does he work shifts? Have you looked a local nurseries and what hours are there morning sessions?

biscuit2403 · 09/12/2023 11:52

Yeah I think if he keeps him two nights it reduces his maintenance payment to £150. The thing is when he left before for weeks at a time, he kept him overnight and he was much younger then! One of the times he took him to his sisters, so I don’t see why it’s now a problem.

So the letter states that he wants to see his child 2/3 days out of his 4 days off, no set days/dates just set times 11-4. I am thinking a reply like this?

Please notify your client that I have rejected his proposal. The proposal I’m putting forward is overnight stays on his first and second day off and full day contact on his fourth. This allows a structure, rather than sporadic days selected in the month. This is a much better routine for Phoenix. If your client declines the proposal please forward them to mediation, however please inform them that this is my final proposal and regardless of mediation it will not change. As contact with your client always ends up acrimonious I would like to put it in writing that any non emergency contact can be done via email, and that phone numbers will remain unblocked for the purpose of emergencies.

I’m quite a sensitive person, a few weeks after we had the fight I bought his Mum flowers, photo frame of her and her grandchild and a card for her birthday from our child because I knew my ex wouldn’t have bothered, and she gave it back to my ex saying I don’t want anything from her which really hurt me as it was from our baby. She’s now gone to a mutual friend of ours door and said she doesn’t want people thinking badly of them and then absolutely slated me and tried to turn people against me. I feel like they are truly tormenting me at this stage, and trying to ensure that I end up with absolutely nobody.

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biscuit2403 · 11/12/2023 14:36

Thank you for all your help but unfortunately today I am just at breaking point, I’ve tried speaking to so many different people and it just hasn’t worked out, nothing is helping me it’s so so bad

But I am so grateful for all of your support

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WowOK · 11/12/2023 14:38

biscuit2403 · 11/12/2023 14:36

Thank you for all your help but unfortunately today I am just at breaking point, I’ve tried speaking to so many different people and it just hasn’t worked out, nothing is helping me it’s so so bad

But I am so grateful for all of your support

@biscuit2403 I'm sorry you're having a bad day.

EyeInTheSky23 · 12/12/2023 08:00

biscuit2403 · 11/12/2023 14:36

Thank you for all your help but unfortunately today I am just at breaking point, I’ve tried speaking to so many different people and it just hasn’t worked out, nothing is helping me it’s so so bad

But I am so grateful for all of your support

You've had and are having an incredibly tough time; antenatal depression with no treatment, pnd, severe sleep deprivation and the breakdown of your relationship (that I don't feel he was ever truly committed to) he caused you a lot of stress during the pregnancy, and has caused you a lot since your baby was born. His family are also a pack of bastards and have caused you stress.

It's a lot.

And PND is no joke.

It's going to take time to feel better.

This time of year is also really shit in terms of mental health; such short days, so dark, shit weather. We are nearly at the shortest day, however and after that the days will get brighter and longer a little bit every day.

Are you taking vitamin d supplements? Can you get out what theres a bit of light - the morning is best I think - for a walk with your little one.

Could anyone take your little one for an overnight now and then to help with the sleep deprivation? Your Mum, depending on her shift pattern? There are night nannies you can pay if you were able to find the money.

Are you getting out to baby and toddler things in your area?

EyeInTheSky23 · 12/12/2023 08:05

Re the sleeping - my LO didn't really properly sleep through the night til they dropped their nap.

I also let their day time naps go on for too long - because I was getting a break, and because I needed to get stuff done; but I think the longer/more the daytime naps ..it may cause more night wakings.

EyeInTheSky23 · 12/12/2023 08:08

Are you able to sleep during the daytime? If so, maybe your baby cold go into a daycare for a few hours now and then, if you could afford it and you could make up some sleep (?)

EyeInTheSky23 · 12/12/2023 08:14

https://www.happiestbaby.com/blogs/baby/9-month-sleep-regression

This is an article on why a baby's sleep also might be bad/even worse around 8/9 months.

Big developmental changes, teething etc.

As it says, it's easy for a baby/young child to zone out teething pain in the daytime, when they're active & distracted, but might bother them a lot more at night.

Calpol and kid ibruprofein might help.

The article also talks about feeding, making stew they're full before bedtime etc.

9-Month Sleep Regression: What It Is and How to Handle It

Around 9 months, your baby may start to wake several times a night…welcome to the 9-month sleep regression! Find out why your baby is waking at night and get Dr. Karp’s tips for handling the 9-month sleep regression.

https://www.happiestbaby.com/blogs/baby/9-month-sleep-regression

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