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thread in which the Mentally Normal sustain a stream of fascinating chat

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Mitchy1nge · 19/01/2015 09:00

and die of being cold

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Mitchy1nge · 25/01/2015 12:07

oh my god you don't know conor oberst! I don't know if you are lucky or not?

how about this chap?

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Enpoid · 25/01/2015 12:16

No Blush not familiar

SnowyMouse · 25/01/2015 12:30

Just had some yummy mango, pineapple and melon (supermarket delivery just came).

I can't get walking on sunshine out of my head now.

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 13:58

Beansprout and pea omelette with soy sauce and extra yolks

Rarrrrrrr

SnowyMouse · 25/01/2015 14:08

Sounds yummy enpo Smile Lamb rogan josh (no rice) here.

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 14:10

Is it so bad to have a rest day straight after another rest day? Hoping my left toe/right knee will stop hurting so much when I run. Muscles are aching too - trainer ASSURED me that though the weights on the bar looked different they were actually the same, but I'm sure it used to be 2x1.25kg, and is now a 1.25kg and a 2.5kg. Would like to be allowed to use the proper weights. Not the purple lady ones Grin

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 14:11

Haggis tonight!

Mitchy1nge · 25/01/2015 14:15

had a squelchy, burst banana from #3's school bag as part of pre-run prep for the run that didn't happen

have ridden though and walked spaniel and his spaniely friend

all your foodstuffs sound good, off to cinema in a minute then I imagine there will be restaurant hurdles to clear - not really in mood to eat out

have new order, blue Monday, in head 'tell me now how should I feel'

when I fell asleep this morning it was after (during?) an amusing bit of chat on the phone about some mad psychoanalytic theory of AN in adolescent girls being a form of anxiety about penis envy and an attempt to transform their physical selves into a phallus

made me chuckle anyway, too good not to share

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Enpoid · 25/01/2015 14:17

Those Freudians were obsessed with their willies to an improbable degree.

Love lamb rogan josh.

SnowyMouse · 25/01/2015 14:20

I'm sorry you're suffering, enpo Another rest day might help.

Enjoy the cinema mitchy

How bizarre!

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 14:24

Thanks Snowy - thankfully I don't suffer as such; it's mild enough pain that I can cope with it except in that I'm scared of doing damage which would scupper my fitness plans Confused

I think I told the thread before about the Jungian analyst I did group therapy with who thought I could magic hearses out of thin air through the power of morbid thoughts Hmm

Mentalpsychiatrist · 25/01/2015 15:30

I'm intrigued Enpo about your jungian analysis. Sounds bonkers.
We're driving home after a lovely weekend, sickness aside. I feel refreshed again and ready to face work tomorrow. Still not sleeping well mind you.

SnowyMouse · 25/01/2015 15:36

Sending sleeping vibes your way, mp Glad you've had a lovely weekend.

How odd, enpo - I don't think I could take things like that seriously.

Millie2013 · 25/01/2015 15:49

I've been awol, as I've been terribly busy buying a new iron And new PJs for DD

That's as exciting as my day has been!
Where's Caulk? Hope you're ok, if you're reading this

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 16:03

I didn't take it seriously either. Argued with her every week about truth and reality-testing and evidence-based medicine and scepticism and science and rationality and ethics, and ended up labelled with a rather unpleasant diagnosis in retaliation that I wasn't told about at the time and which has followed me ever since.

It was unhelpful, manipulative, damaging, even - a complete waste of NHS money for me and I suspect for everyone else in the group (I was the only one who made a dramatic improvement during the eighteen months or so - it happened suddenly, a couple of weeks after I saw a new psychiatrist (who happened to be a specialist in drug treatments for treatment-resistant depression, and was involved in the development of several of the current popular antidepressants) who prescribed the MAOI + lamotrigine combo that stabilised me for several years and left me able to manage without drug treatment at all for several years afterwards).

That bloody woman. She's still practising locally. Calls herself Dr but makes no attempt to disabuse people of the impression she's a medical doctor (and I know a PhD is a higher level qualification than a medical degree but I still think PhDs working in healthcare should forgo their title at work), and refused to tell me her specialism or area of expertise for several months after the group began despite my asking her repeatedly what her methodology was.

Introduced a trainee to the group partway through, constantly talked about our fantasies, positioned herself as our mother-figure in the group and referred to our fantasies about her, tried to position this trainee as a father figure, tried to use group dynamics Hmm to "model" stuff like the poor woman whose father was repeatedly raping her, got the entire group to write a letter to me telling me why I had to come back for my own sake and for the rest of the group when I chose to leave partway through.

Got me to sign up for the group in the first place when I'd been referred for a different kind of group and for individual therapy by promising me I would get individual therapy afterwards, then lying and telling me she'd never said that (luckily DP could back me up there so confirm to me that this was gaslighting) and that it was a sign of my disorder that I felt I was too good for group therapy Hmm.

Ending the group abruptly with only one session's warning, leaving lots of very vulnerable people who were mostly no better than they were at the start without their main form of support, denigrating drug therapies at every stage, while making no attempt to address various people's addiction problems…

The whole thing was a mess and probably just a Petri dish for another one of her many published papers full of absolute crap.

The hearse thing was when I turned up late once having been held up in slow traffic caused by people driving respectfully around a funeral procession, and apologised, saying "I was held up by a hearse". This apparently merited fifteen minutes discussing my obsession with the death-fantasy and its manifestations in my reality and why I felt the need to avoid my life using the fantasy of blah blah blah I forget.

Oops, that was long.

NiamhNext · 25/01/2015 16:05

I spent most of the day in bed plotting crochet projects which will probably never happen did eventually get up. Cooked up the leftover plain fish and veggies from Friday into a teriyaki stirfry with noodles for lunch. I wouldn't recommend it. Envy Still feel queasy.

Congratulations on your new iron, Millie! Is it a steamy one and does it have its own stand (cordless)?

Am impressed with all your running. I can only manage short runs (discovered I have mild hypermobility and not enough hours in the day to build up joint strength needed to do more than a few km at a time. Plus the cold puts me off. Orthotics from NHS podiatrist really help with knee pain though.)

SnowyMouse · 25/01/2015 16:09

Oh dear enpo, sounds terrible. I hope I don't seem trite, but you must have some strength to have challenged that as opposed to just getting through it.

I'm dreading tomorrow a little, I don't really know the CPN that's coming all that well. I don't want to seem like I'm just after drugs.

I'm sorry your lunch wasn't very nice, niamh

NiamhNext · 25/01/2015 16:10

Justifiably long Ep. What a snake oil merchant she is! Sorry to hear she is still practising! :(

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 16:12

Thank you Snowy - I wish I'd had the strength to leave.

Of course you've only my word for it when it comes to (IMO) her lack of ethics and rationality, and for other people's privacy I don't talk about some of the worse stuff that happened, but this is how these people get away with this stuff - people like us aren't often believed when we clash with the professionals.

I've seen Caulk around elsewhere, I think/hope she's okay.

NiamhNext · 25/01/2015 16:13

Thanks Snowy. I kept it down. It's medicine. Was edible and nothing wrong/off with it. Not sure I can face the beef stew and potatoes for dinner as well but will try a small portion.

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 16:15

Snowy good luck with the CPN - it's always tough with new people and I hope they don't see you as a drug seeker - it should be okay because they'll have records of what you've had before that's worked, won't they?

NiamhNext · 25/01/2015 16:15

She uses a Phd to pose as a qualified psychiatrist though - that should be illegal.

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 16:21

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SnowyMouse · 25/01/2015 16:24

Thanks enpo It's only a citalopram increase I want to ask about, not benzos or anything.

People shouldn't pose as something they're not.

Enpoid · 25/01/2015 16:27

She doesn't pose as one, as such, she just lets people assume that Hmm Many of the other psychotherapists there are psychiatrists too.

The thing that irks me most is that she claims to take a deep interest in DV and women's issues but apparently did nothing to help a woman in my group in a very difficult and abusive situation to escape. Maybe there was something going on behind the scenes but nothing ever seemed to improve for this poor woman and we were supposed to have no significant contact with other group members or the therapist outside of the group, so unless she was breaking her own rules she was doig nothing, not even encouraging her to try and get away or make it stop.