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lazyhazydaisy · 26/01/2012 11:23

I have just got access to the internet. I am much less petrified than I was at first but definitely 0 out of ten. I have a tribunal and if that fails I think I will be here until July. I feel as though I am living in a nightmare. I have never felt so alone.

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Moosy · 06/07/2012 16:25

Sorry, got it the wrong way round, CAB - citizens' advice bureau, they can help with financial things and all sorts and it's all confidential and impartial advice.

Fuddlemuddler · 06/07/2012 22:16

I simply cannot get over the DLA fraud! That is where the money must be going.

Fuddlemuddler · 06/07/2012 22:21

The one thing I know is that I am a good cook. Should I blog about this somewhere? I don't think anyone will read it but I do know that the so-called recovery team are just a relay team. I read 4 days of my interminable diary today and he told me he was leaving. I was also told today that I do not have a mental illness and therefore am unintitled to any support.

I held out so long, resisting admitting that I have suffered from hallucinations, which I have not done. I did expect some sort of support at the end.

Fuddlemuddler · 06/07/2012 22:22

I spent 194 400 hours in that hellhole. And I am not entitled to more than one hour a week to talk about it. And my house is a WRECK.

oiwheresthecoffee · 07/07/2012 19:28

Can you say whereabouts you are ? In a PM if you need to , im sure people could help out if they live nearby.

Fuddlemuddler · 07/07/2012 21:22

Well, this is the irony. I can barely go out of my front door so anyone local to me would be the last person that I would want to see, although I do appreciate the offer. I want to shield my dc from any connection with this orderal. I do appreciate it but the hell of being dragged barefoot and handcuffed so tightly that I bled precludes any local help. I can only talk to people in person who have gone through it.

I spent four hours today at the house of the 61 year old woman whose wrist was broken by the police. She had me to stay for a few days when I was first released. I was dumped outside the hospital and basically told to piss off. I stayed in bed and didn't eat and each day I woke up, looked at the ceiling and realised that I was no longer in that place. I eventually rang her up and begged to come and stay. She let me treat her house as my home. And also helped with the long process of retraining the dog. She said that she had taken four months to get back on her feet after she was released and she didn't want me to take that long.

She was just getting back on her feet and (with good reason) did not want anything to do with that place. So they took her back in for 'not engaging with the team'. I have just go in from spending four hours cleaning her house. She stayed in bed the whole time. She said that she just wanted to go to sleep and never wake up. I fed her ham sandwiches when I got there, cut into quarters. And before I left I fed her sandwich eggs on toast. I kept saying, 'Come on, Miranda, just try and eat the protein', which she did. I thought I was going to have to do the aeroplane trick. She is absolutely terrified of going back in there. She slept in her clothes in there because a male nurse used to walk in in the mornings and whip off her bedsheets.

She said that she hadn't washed or eaten since she was released. She came home to a mountain of bills and will probably lose her home. It is quite normal to go into a state of collapse on release. Everyone I know who has survived has gone into the same state. She still hasn't had a bath but she at least has had two meals for the first time since release. The 'team' who visit her daily to make her take drugs must step over the debris that I cleared up today. I have no idea why they do not offer any practical help at all. It is no wonder that people who have once been unfortunate enough to experience that hell just turn their heads to the wall. Or commit suicide. And it is put down to 'mental illness'. Rather than the post trauma of that degrading and dehumanising hell.

Thanks for your offer of help but I am not able to live in this family home anymore. My priory is to protect my dc from the horrific stigma of this assault and incarceration. She begged me to visit her when she was in there but, whilst I would do practically anything to help anyone who has been in that place, nothing on earth would induce me to go near there. I am quite happy with what I did today. I filled her fridge with very easy eating food. I knew perfectly what to do because it was exactly what I would have wanted someone to do for me when I started the long and painful process of realising that I was no longer an animal in a zoo.

Fuddlemuddler · 07/07/2012 21:25

(scrambled eggs)
And I did a wash in her washing machine.

MooncupGoddess · 08/07/2012 23:34

That is so kind and generous of you, OP. How lovely that you are looking out for each other.

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 10:36

No one else was going to do it Mooncup, and I want to keep her out of that place. If the ironically titled, 'recovery team' were of any use then they would help her. As opposed to deciding that she cannot cope and has to go back in. She is absolutely terrified of going back into that place. As is everyone else I know who has had the misfortune to be in that place. She is well below 7 stone now and I am worried about her health. Her daughter, who seems very sweet, popped in when I was there and, at my suggestion, we walked the dogs together. (I wasn't sure that I could handle both because I don't really know them and one has a police caution). However, the daughter has some sort of learning difficulties and didn't even turn up with any food.

It also took my mind of my own solitary confinement. I am in a very difficult position where I desperately need help with lots of practical things; I kept jumping away from the tennis to bale out the outside drain which otherwise would have come into the kitchen. I am not asking for any help beyond problems which are a direct result of 4 months incarceration, but I too am absolutlely terrified of being taken back in there.

The man who visited me on Friday, (I have probably said this) told me that there was nothing wrong with my mental health and therefore I shouldn't need the 'recovery team'. I didn't have anything wrong with me until the police assault and the trauma of that utterly dehumanising experience and, more importantly, not knowing and not being told why I was in there.

I would say I need intensive counselling about the whole experience, I need to go through all of my medical notes, especially the part that says that I have experience hallucinations. I haven't. I heard on R4 that a patient can have there medical notes changed from inaccuracies if they are severely distressed by the inaccuracies, which I am. Not just the fictional hallucinations. I don't know where they got that from. I wish the police materialising in my bedroom were a hallucination.

I don't know what to do. I don't know who to tell. If I raise my head above the parapet at all I am afraid I will be diagnosed with

a) paranoia
b) lack of 'insight'
c) social isolation (you try going out after THAT)
d) house in a mess (it's not that bad but I live in fear of a random inspection, as if I were at bloody Sandhurst
e) self-neglect (I am forcing myself to eat. Forcing myself. And weighing myself, which is something I never do. There was a thread on here asking if anyone had a penny-dropping moment of realisation how to lose weight and keep it off. I managed not to comment on that thread but an enforced stay in Alcatrass appears to work wonders)
f) thought disorder; all I can think about is that place. And dream about.
g) chaotic living circumstances. I have paperwork coming out of my ears. Practically all I have managed to do is put BT on a standing order so the phone won't get cut off. AGAIN.

(It says on the fraudulent DLA form that one of the drips wanted me to fill in without signing, the one that says that I am unable to use a hob, 'when Daisy has a relapse'. It says that twice. WHEN I have a relapse. This is what I mean by the revolving door syndrome. That whole experience puts one on the floor and then POOF! they take you back in. It has happened to almost everyone I met in there).

(I did a load of washing at her house. Which was a blessing for me.)

I am going to try and have a go at my house now. And try and tackle the washing machine, with the help of youtube. And to try and organise the paperwork.)

And I'll have a look at MIND and SANE.

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 11:25

I have made a start on dismantling the fitted kitchen in order to address the washing machine very sternly. Have just discovered that dp took the toolkit when he broke into the house which the police claimed to have 'secured' during the 4 hours that they had their van outside my house. (He did reboard the whole thing up again, so that I couldn't get in on my release). So I can't unscrew the cupboards on either side to pull it out. But I am not sure that I need to pull it out because I can freely reach the bottom, where the 'kick board' is. If I could pull that off, I could reach the filter. Do I just use brute force? Is anyone a plumber?

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 11:39

I have managed to get the kickboard off with a knife but the filter is not budging. It is meant to be turned anti-clockwise, according to the Indesit manual online. Any ideas?

www.indesit.co.uk/indesit/_pdf/manuals/19507883502_UK.pdf

MooncupGoddess · 09/07/2012 13:25

Sounds like you're doing really well, OP! I sympathise re the washing machine. Slow and steady sometimes works - have a go at it every so often and it may start to yield. Or maybe post in the Good Housekeeping section for specific advice.

Great that you are managing to eat a bit. I always find yoghurt with berries or honey good if I can't face heavy food. Or soup/omelettes.

You are a brilliant writer and I wonder if there's any way you could get some type of counselling by email, where you could remain anonymous. MIND or SANE might be helpful in this respect. Good luck!

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 14:31

Thank you. That means a lot. My kitchen currently looks as if I have been burgled by someone who wants to find an elastic band or something. I have gone against the Flylady rule of only getting out what one can put away but I was searching in vain for screwdrivers. On the bright side I have found a load of things that were missing in action for ages. Like the dog's new idennd turned over all of the kitchen drawers in the process. On the bright side I have found the dog's identity disc, with my new telephone number, which I had been looking for for ages. But as I am planning to sell the family home I would have had to do all that behind the appliances dust and grime anyway. I am very very relieved to discover no rodent droppings.

The other local 'survivor' (Arthur, because he looks like Arthur Smith) has said that he will not leave his village because he is afraid that visiting me might count against him. He, like everyone else, is living in fear of being taken back in on some pretext. Pity, because I think he would have the brute strength to twist the filter.

I am going to visit Miranda (I have changed all of the names, and named them after what I think they look like they should be called) again tomorrow for a few hours, to force a bit more scrambled eggs and yoghurts down her. If she manages to stay awake I might try to open some of her post with her. I have made a very strict rule with myself since I was released to ALWAYS open post. She is in a terrible state. She is just more or less semi-conscious all of the time. On valium.

I have had a good look in all of her kitchen cupboards when I was looking for places to put away all of the washing up and she has enough (pharmceutical) drugs to put down an elephant. I don't want to micromanage her in any way and I have not got her daughter's contact number for the same reason. The feeling of being micromanaged is pretty dehumanising.

She is too terrified of going back to that place to face anything practical. Or even to be conscious.

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 15:16

I wish that I could stay the night with her in order to catch her inbetween drug induced unconsciousness. But her one of her dogs keeps trying to hump my Westie and that is too stressful for all. And she doesn't answer her phone. I am pretty sure that if she feels that there is any possiblity of going back to that place she will just down all the drugs with a bottle of whiskey.

I can't leave my house anyway because of the blocked drains and the buckets catching the leaks from the leaking roof will overflow.

She is not the only one. Another 58 year old was manhandled into a police van and held in a police cell for 16 hours. I tried very hard to collect eyewitness accounts of police brutality but most were to traumatised to write it down. This list goes on and on.

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 21:25

I have looked at SANE and MIND but they seem to be for people with mental illnesses but apparently (so I am now told) I don't have one. I don't know who to turn to.

BoffinMum · 09/07/2012 21:39

I have read the three most recent pages of this thread and I am of the mind that this is one for Panorama. I do admire your strength in all this, Daisy.

Is it possible you might be able to get some non-judgmental and practical help from a local church? Just a thought.

IShallWearMidnight · 09/07/2012 21:57

Following on from a suggestion further down the thread, the Samaritans do an email and letter answering service as well as the phone lines. I don't think they are allowed to offer any practical help (other than suggestions as to where else you might look for that), but they would be an independent ear for you. And they are all trained (unlike those of us here who are reading and wishing there was something we could do or say that won't make it all worse).

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 22:03

Thank you. As I said, I am too afraid to stick my head above the parapet. I did email Women's Hour about the police brutality. I was dragged down two flights of stairs and into a police van wearing precisely one pair of knickers, one pair of trousers and one t-shirt. It was very cold outside but it was 23 degrees inside my house. I know this because when I got back in it was absolutely boiling and the thermostat said 23 degrees. I have tried not to comment on the 'police are twats' thread, and I know that they are not all twats. But the ones who put a new lock on my back door, which is entirely inacessable without scaling an 8 foot stone wall at the back, yet boarded up my front door AND didn't bother to turn the heating down; the thermostat is about a foot from where I eventually found the back door key, after spending three weeks with access to my back garden through a kitchen window, could perhaps do with a refresher course in common sense and basic humanity.

I have to work out how to get the house more or less habitable or I am afraid they will decide I have had a relapse. I do not think for a second that I have ever had a mental illness, although I have the utmost sympathy for anyone who has. But this atttitude is one of the greatest symptoms of a mental illness so I am scared to admit it publicly. Although I did assert this frequently when I was in there, hence the length of the stay. They whole thing is Orwellian.

I spent four months making notes. My case is just the tip of the iceberg.

Did you see this story?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168737/Did-police-handcuff-dementia-patient-Treatment-distressed-84-year-old-Alzheimers-beggars-belief-says-coroner.html

The police appear to be doing it to elderly alzheimers sufferers as well as people who may or may not be suffering from mental health problems. The coroner appeared to be surprised but I met dozens of people who had been treated in this way. It says somewhere in the comments that handcuffs are used to prevent the patient being a harm to themselves. Huh! They ratcheted mine so tightly that they drew blood in three paralell lines.

Not only am I scared to complain, I am completely traumatised and I am only just managing to feed myself and make sure the dog is walked and fed.

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 22:29

I am not sure why but Boffinmum's post provoked an avalanche of tears. I don't think that that is necessarily a bad thing. I cried a lot in Alcatrass, especially when I realised I would not be released within two weeks.

I have tried the the Samaritans but they refer me to my GP or to Mental Health Services. I would never go near either. At least not until I have the medical notes corrected, especially the bit about me having hallucinations.

I have considered going to the GMC about the doctor who wrote that I had all of those diagnoses that are on the first or second page, which have no apparently dwindled to nothing. The diagnoses he gave me meant that I failed my first appeal. When I have mentioned this I have been told that he has 'moved on'. (One of those 6 months placements).

Thank you for making me cry, Boffinmum, and I mean that. I think that it is a bit of a release that I needed.

Miranda asked me if I was lonely. I told her that the tragedy was that I spent most of the 4 months alone in my room with my language CDs and R4 so I have become accustomed to complete solitude. So I can cope with solitude and I have pretty much lost the ability to speak. Except to the ratman, the vet, the computer man and the doghandler. I have a note on my (wrecked) front door with my telephone number on it so that no one uses the knocker which I just cannot handle.

Fuddlemuddler · 09/07/2012 22:47

I can't access any help because I need to get away from this area. What I couldn't stand it sympathy for my non-existent mental illness. I have spent 4 months being treated with a mixture of patronising ghastliness and a sense of menace, ie the threat of 'IM' - being pinned down and injected with powerful anti-psychotic drugs. I have searched and searched and read all I can find about both schizophrenia and psychosis and I cannot find any resemblance to anything that I have experienced. This is why my named nurse said she agreed but was not paid enough to contradict the psychiatrist. She agreed with me and consistently told me she would discharge me tomorrow if it was up to her.

I have no hope for the future and I just look forward to sleep when I can get it. I have no idea how I am surviving at all. I have not even kept up my language learning.

Arthur was on another ward. There was an enormously obese woman there who was so far gone on (I guess) long term drug taking. He used to overhear the staff (cruelly) joking how they would love to see what she looked like naked.

Yes, the sickest thing was the staff getting patients to dance. I was criticised for not joining in the 'fun and laughter' on the ward. It looked to me like cruelty. It is fun to get toddlers to jump around to music but these were women in their fifties who were either not knowing what was going on at all or trying to please the staff.

The staff did not interact with the patients apart from to give them meds or change their sheets, etc. They sat in their little office writing 'obs'. I was the only person who obtained the 'obs' and they are the ultimate in 'busywork'. Eg, Daisy is self-isolating in her room. Daisy only interacts with the staff in order to fulfill her needs. What do they want me to do? Make cocktail party conversation. The staff are paid. I didn't realise I was meant to make small talk with them.

I was exceptionally angry and pissed off with everything but I didn't ever shout or swear or be rude but apparently that was not enough. I was meant to be Mrs bloody charming and amusing. I stayed in my room because I found the entire atmosphere incredibly unhealthy both physically and mentally. Not to mention the patient who was convinced that I was number 3 in Sein Fein and was only there at all in order to kill her. She told other inmates that she had got hold of scissors and after that I stayed in my room entirely, even to eat. This was taken as yet another symptom.

I have to keep the house tidy and try to sort out the myriad practical problems but I don't have the skill or the confidence.

(The dog is OK)

TantrumsAndBalloons · 10/07/2012 09:02

Daisy, quick note cos I'm nearly at work but I used MIND for counseling, just because I needed someone to talk to, AFAIK you don't need to be labelled "mentally ill" to talk to someone there.

BoffinMum · 10/07/2012 09:30

Well, in two minds about having brought people to tears, but I hope it was cathartic.

I too am appalled at the idea of learning disabled adults being forced to dance for people's entertainment. It smacks of the Nazis.

BoffinMum · 10/07/2012 09:33

Another possibility - move area, slightly change name, claim you are just back from overseas, apply for new NHS number and begin again?

MooncupGoddess · 10/07/2012 10:22

God it is awful to hear what you've been through. You mention that you have PTSD as a result (which is hardly surprising) so that might be enough to get help from SANE or MIND?

Fuddlemuddler · 10/07/2012 10:42

(The tears were good, BM. I haven't cried at all since I got out. I think a good cry is cathartic and I also think it is good for the health, in an unbottling way. I had wanted to cry for ages and I couldn't. I don't know why your post set me off but it felt a bit like a watershed. Well, it was literally a watershed, but I feel a lot better for it.)

Thanks, Tantrums, I'll have another look.

I wouldn't just say it was learning difficulty sufferers (if that is the right word; I am thinking of one person in particular there. It was also people who were on so many drugs that they didn't really know what they were doing, or it may have been the side-effects).

There was a complete lack of human dignity. Every hour, and this was particularly intrusive at night, the staff would come into (I'll say my, instead of one, but it happened to everyone) my room. For the first three months I tried to sleep as much as I could during the day, just to miss all of the 'fun and laughter' on the ward. It wasn't until March that I realised that this was taken as yet another symptom of a mental illness so after this realisation I quickly made sure that my light was out in time for the midnight check.

This night time checking was a particular bugbear of Arthur's. He said they would go into his room, turn the light on and say, 'Aren't you asleep?' And he would say, or think, 'I was asleep until you turned on the light and woke me up, you moron.'

I suppose the rationale for this was to check that the inmate had not committed suicide, but there was no way to commit suicide in there. The irony is that by the time the inmate is released they presumably all have access to ropes and washing lines. I'd love to know the statistics on suicides of people who have been released. Though of course, this would all be conveniently put down to, as is every event, their mental illness.

There seemed to me to be a lot of power games. The treat of IM in my case kept me in permanent fear. Patients had to wait for a member of staff to accompany them to the courtyard for a cigarette. Even if, in my case, I was barefooted. I would be hardly likely to make a dash for freedom in barefoot.

But the worst thing, and the most shocking thing to me, personally, was that no one, no one, made any attempt to talk to me about anything to do with my background, or the police brutality, or anything at all. I first saw the psychiatrist after 6 days and the only topic under discussion in this very short ward meeting was which drugs and which dose of drugs I was to have (HAVE) to take. And the only debate in that room, a debate which did not include me, was the dose. Each week the dose went up. If I did not appear to be 'getting better' they just discussed changing the drugs.

And if I had shown signs of getting better, which I did after 1 March when I finally got hold of the last of my medical notes, from my GP, and I realised that all I had to do was to act, 'euthymic'. At this point they really began to start commenting on how well I was responding to 800mg of seroquel. So, my miraculous recovery was attributed to the correct drug dose.

The adult licensed dose for seroquel is 25-750mg. A dose of 800mg is only for extreme mania. I have never suffered from mania or displayed symptoms of mania. Quite the opposite. I spent almost all of my time locked in my room, with only staff coming in. (The staff would barge in without knocking whenever they wanted; another constant reminder of the lack of any privacy).

Point is, no talking therapy, no listening. The minute you are in that place you are in line to be put on powerful drugs. I would have thought that a custodial sentence should be the last resort and drugs should be the very last resort. I felt that when I was on those drugs I couldn't afford to appear 'better' in any way because they would have attributed my improvement to the drugs and I would have been forced to be on drugs forever, to prevent a relapse.

I planned to get out without any drugs, which took some very fancy footwork. Otherwise I would have ended up like Miranda with 'the recovery team' coming to my house twice a day to watch me take these drugs. Some of these drugs are very new and no-one really knows the side-effects yet. The patients in there were, as far as I could see, guinea-pigs.

Please remember that the catch-all word that can mean anything at all is paranoia. We were paranoid about being considered paranoid. My lawyer told me that one of the reasons I failed my appeal after to weeks was my opposition to taking drugs. This is why I must appear to be managing, no matter how hard I am finding it. Otherwise it will be back through the revolving door, back on the magic roundabout and next time it will be being pinned down and injected with God knows what in my bottom.

I don't think I can think as far as changing my name. Why should I be a fugitive in my own country? And I suspect I would be found out and that, of course, would be taken as yet another symptom of a mental illness.

The phrase that kept echo-ing in my head after the police brutality and incompetence was, 'This is not my country, this is not my country.' That is not the sort of language that I would use, either out loud or in my head. It sounds a bit Daily Mail to me, but that was my internal tourettes.

Almost all inmates in there were institutionalised very quickly. The new arrivals tended to wander round questionning why they were there until their drugs kicked in. No doctor or nurse ever considered ever giving 'no drugs' a chance. It runs on pharmaceuticals, lack of dignity and bloody jigsaws.