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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 thread 101: Fasting as quick as HH is whizzing down the ski slopes! (Not very fast, with many bumps and wine stops along the way!)

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harriethoyle · 14/01/2024 14:05

Welcome to the continuing thread for those following 5:2 or other forms of IF (Intermittent Fasting) such as 4:3, ADF, etc.

Basically it is 2 very low cal days ("fasts") per week - which need not be consecutive - and eat "normally" to maintain on the other 5 days.

For those who have dieted or maybe overeaten for years, eating "normally"
means roughly the number of calories your body needs to maintain - NOT reduce - its weight (see TDEE calculator below).

IMPORTANT
If you have had past diagnosed Eating Disorders or serious MH problems you should NOT do 5:2 or any other kind of fasting

JARGON alert

16:8 is a different type of fasting, which can be combined with 5:2.
Daily zero-cal fast for 16 hours and eat within an 8 hour window. To lose weight, this needs a weekly calorie deficit as well

b2b (optional) back-to-back / consecutive fast days, each with an increased allowance of 650 calories instead of 500

BMI (Body Mass Index) healthy range is 18.5 - 24.9 for Caucasians. Upper limit may be 22 for some of Asian origin.

FD = single Fast Day: aim for 500 calories (600 for men or 25% TDEE whichever is higher) or 1000 cals for BF
No alcohol or junk on FDs
Even if you exercise strenuously, do NOT increase FD cals to allow for exercise

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a useful App or website to track food & drink calories

miniFD = MiniFD, 850-1000 calories, no alcohol or junk

NFD = Non-Fast Day, averages around TDEE

NSV / LSV = Non Scale Victory / LifeStyle (change) Victory, e.g. compliment, smaller waist, clothes size

SV = Scale Victory

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, the average number of calories you burn in a day, is calculated from your current weight, height, age, activity level.
Aim to average about this for NFDs.

WOE / WOL = Way Of Eating / Way Of Life. We say this instead of "diet", to emphasise that we must make a permanent change in how we eat, to maintain our new healthy weight long term.

Jump in and say hello!

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harriethoyle · 14/05/2024 10:02

Thanks all 😁Feeling better today and back at work.

Work drinks tonight which isn't ideal - b2b tomorrow and Thursday all being well.

I am currently gaining and losing the same 2 kgs despite averaging 3 FDs a week, most weeks. I've upped my exercise but not having much effect. Unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion that I need to be a bit more disciplined on NFDs and specifically, with booze consumption. When I first cut back on my alcohol consumption 4 years ago, I was very disciplined with only drinking two days a week - I'm now drinking 3 days a week and often there's a little special occasion during the week like today.

SO! Am posting here for accountability. From this weekend, I am only drinking two days a week. So that means Fri and Sat but not Sun, Sat and Sun but not Fri, Tues and Sat only etc. I'll keep you posted! Obviously won't apply on hols though. I'm not a total saint 😂

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OohMrDarcy · 14/05/2024 10:37

Hi @harriethoyle

That sounds like a sensible plan - Good luck!

SydneyCarton · 14/05/2024 15:59

@harriethoyle Same here with more discipline needed! I have lost weight on 5:2 and 16:8, but not without tracking calories on FDs and NFDs. Just had an impromptu (well, as impromptu as you can get with three primary-aged children Hmm) weekend away, which was lovely but very unforgiving weight-wise.

Current plan is to continue with intermittent fasting (16:8) three days a week, TDEE eating three days a week (these are the days I run, and I need some fuel!), with a free day on Sunday, BUT to track calories, which I haven't been doing for a while. If nothing is budging after a couple of weeks I will go back to 5:2 on two non-running days, and do 16:8 on the third one.

Today is an IF day and I've just finished a rather nice chicken and rice salad from GLO (via Waitrose) - 282 calories and lots of protein. Very tasty, although the massive list of ingredients is a bit off-putting and it's probably UPF Confused

harriethoyle · 15/05/2024 09:03

I know I should care about UPF but it's just a step too far 🤣🙈

FD today, anyone with me?

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Castlerigg · 15/05/2024 09:24

I managed 15.5 hours fasting, my longest yet! I had a pretty low calorie day yesterday, about 900, with my mail meal being a portion of lasagne at about 5pm, and that saw me through to my 8.45 latte this morning. I think I could have gone longer, I was surprised just how not-hungry I was. I did drink loads of water which helped a lot.

I think better planning would help me to extend my fasting times. So often I don't know what's for dinner until I'm about to start cooking it.

FiloPasty · 15/05/2024 09:28

Hello! So keen to join, sorry to not read the whole thread bar the op, but I’m here and super keen to get started and promise to keep up with the thread ongoing. I have 3 stone to lose (cries) always slim until I had a baby just before I turned 40 and just can’t shift it, also been diagnosed with hypothyroidism.
Does anyone do a bone broth for fast days? Would love a good recipe.

harriethoyle · 15/05/2024 09:45

@Castlerigg I find planning is KEY to a successful FD or I just fall face first into pasta, or I snack...

Welcome @FiloPasty the only bone broth I make if after a roast chicken for soup so not sure that's much use for you!

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OohMrDarcy · 15/05/2024 09:45

morning all

@SydneyCarton - sounds like a plan! I'm with @harriethoyle and can't bring myself to worry too much about UPF... though definitely eating a fair bit less of it since starting fasting again!

No FD for me today Harriet, I'm planning Friday again for number 2 this week.

Well done @Castlerigg on the longest fast - almost at the 16:8 range which is a good one to aim for if thats what you're looking at. Meal planning, or at least making sure you have some easy lower cal meal options regularly available is key to successful fasting for me. It comes with time. I always make sure I have things like soups / chicken / veggies available so I can fast without thinking when needed.

welcome @FiloPasty the OP has all the main info so just jump right in and join the party. No bone broth recipes here I'm afraid!

SydneyCarton · 15/05/2024 15:00

It's the UPF-free social media groups that do my head in - someone will post a lovely healthy-looking meal that they're really proud of and someone else will jump down their throat because they used a tablespoon of rapeseed oil in it and the meat didn't come from grass-fed cows Hmm

Wednesdays are usually a running/NFD for me, but I had a 3 hour workshop from 9 am this morning (Angry) so couldn't get a run in and decided to do 16:8 instead. I was expecting to struggle with focus during the workshop but was pleasantly surprised at how clearheaded and able to stay on track I was - whether that was due to the fasting or to the actual subject matter I don't know!

harriethoyle · 15/05/2024 15:39

I have to say I fasted on Monday when I was off work poorly and it really cleared my fuzzy head - I felt more awake than I had done all weekend. Probably helped that I wasn't feeling sluggish from booze or excess food too...

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harriethoyle · 15/05/2024 20:50

So I'm guestimating 700 for today - I know tea (baked fish) was 240 but lunch was half a Mackerel fillet and some potato salad so that's difficult to guess... tomorrow will be 640 so I think it should be OK 😬

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PaperSky · 15/05/2024 20:56

I really wished I enjoyed running, but I hate it.

now the weathers warming up, I reckon I could go for a brisk walk instead (better than nothing).

I managed 610 calories yesterday! Not quite 500, but it will do! I’m pleased with that for my first day.
Planning my next FD to be Friday, and then will probably move on to Mondays and Wednesday.

Today I’ve accidentally done OMAD, but I’ve had 3 beef tacos, Mexican rice and chopped veggies.
And now I’m full and tired 😁

Going to do 16:8 at the same time I think, as it’s the late night snacking that’s my downfall, my main meals aren’t too bad.
And if I’m doing that, hopefully won’t be too terrible if I go slightly over sometimes

Castlerigg · 16/05/2024 06:47

I've woken up so tired and groggy today. Could it possibly be because I ate bread last night?

I made broccoli and Stilton soup for dinner and bought a loaf of sourdough to go with it, as well as garlic dough balls. I've been avoiding UPF for a while, as well as eating low carb, so last night was the first time I've eaten bread in a couple of weeks.

So yesterday wasn't a very low calorie day at all, which is frustrating after being pleased with my long fast. Hope today is not too hard, I'll be keeping it low calorie and definitely low carb.

harriethoyle · 16/05/2024 09:40

So do I @PaperSky - I walk instead and do pilates. Also my botox lady said running is terrible for aging your face so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!!

I doubt it @Castlerigg but you could repeat the experiment in a few weeks and see? Your dinner sounds delicious though!!

Anyone joining me today? Day 2 of b2b, tune thin for lunch and spinach cannelloni for tea.

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Castlerigg · 16/05/2024 11:15

@harriethoyle Dinner was indeed delicious 😋 I suppose it could be environmental, hay fever will be arriving any day now. Although I'm definitely hungrier today, I'm blaming that on the carbs.

OohMrDarcy · 17/05/2024 07:13

Morning all

Checking in for my Friday FD today. Anyone with me?

I'm not built for running either. Have tried taking it up a few times over the years and always ended up with injuries / worse asthma etc. I stick with walking which I actually enjoy!

harriethoyle · 17/05/2024 11:46

not me @OohMrDarcy which is a good thing as I'm ravenous today!

Coming in at .7kg above goal after 3FD - just in time to go on holiday next Friday and put on a couple of kilos!! 😜

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berryhand · 17/05/2024 12:09

I'm with you today @OohMrDarcy, tough FD today as I had one too many wines when I met a pal last night 😬

We've also booked a last min hol from next Sunday so I need to be disciplined for the next week to prepare myself for the all inclusive delights.

Soba noodles and sushi for me today should bring me in at just under 500.

OohMrDarcy · 17/05/2024 12:41

I've got cottage pie here tonight which at worst will see me come in around 580 - I'm planning to minimise the mash I have so know it will be under there, but without trying to accurately measure ( = no stress)

OohMrDarcy · 17/05/2024 19:37

Kitchen closed as planned and enjoyed my (cheese-top less) cottage pie

How did you go @berryhand ?

berryhand · 17/05/2024 22:02

Good work @OohMrDarcy, cottage pie sounds nice!

I reckon I came in somewhere around 550 after nicking a jelly turtle from DD's pick n mix but not a bad day overall. Back again Monday, probably for a Mon/Tues b2b.

Have great weekends all!

harriethoyle · 20/05/2024 08:38

Morning all! Anyone with me today?

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berryhand · 20/05/2024 09:11

Morning @harriethoyle! I am, b2b today and bonus FD Friday this week to get holiday ready. Think I'll do sushi lunch and M&S meal for tea.

OohMrDarcy · 20/05/2024 09:21

morning all

Checking in for monday FD so with you @berryhand @harriethoyle

Weekly weigh in results are annoying but also inaccurate so I'm not too worried.

weighed in the morning at 105.5kg which technically means a loss of 0.3kg HOWEVER
I have been 105.1kg for the previous 3 days, I know I've been sub TDEE all weekend and also not been to the loo for a couple of days, so I'm putting it down to a digestion / timing issue!
we shall see what happens this week!

strangerInStrangeLand · 20/05/2024 11:29

Morning all, I m back from Holiday. Had a wonderful holiday - that was lots and lots of walking, I m 69.6 slight loss !

Fasting today

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